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Steve Ratey
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I have a few questions for Argo Avenger owners. Maybe you folks can help answer some questions:
I am a newbie to this game so please excuse my ignorance. . .
I have heard disparaging comments about chain-drives causing difficulties. Everything from maintenance issues to a variety of other things.
Do you fellows really have that much of a difficulty with this design feature?
Another question:
In the advertising for the Hydraulic drive manufacturers, statements are made that chain-drive units do not provide power to the inside wheels in a turn. Additional comments are made indicating that this design feature causes problems when trying to work the machine out of a 'stuck' situation.
Is this really the case?
Or is it more of an issue that the chain-drive relies on brakes to slow one side down (thus turning) wherease the hydraulic system actually changes the drive speed of the wheels to accomplish a turn?
Any usefull comment would be appreciated.
Steve R. |
Dave Keeso
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In addition to my last posting, the chain driven vehicles are also much simpler to troubleshoot and fix whereas a vehicle using hydralics to work may be more suseptable to having to take more time to trouble shoot. The ARGOs (and max) use fairly simple drive systems so if something does go wrong, a couple spare parts and a couple tools will often fix the problem in the garage or on the trails. |
Dave Keeso
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Steve
The chain driven machines that use breaking to stop or slow one side to make a turn use a differential. If you want to be picky about it, the ARGO vehicles are in some peoples minds really only a 3 wheeler or 4 wheeler depending on the model. WHile all wheeles drive, their power is shifted from all wheels to power the outside tires. HOwever, this is easily avoided by learning how to feather the breaks, engaging both sides together to maximize the power. The MAX atvs are a little different. I don't have a good handle on how their system works but i do believe that the power isn't compromized the same way during turning and other manouvers. When one of the argo vehicles gets stuck, the side that can move more freely will move, and sometimes the one that isn't moving is the side that will find the traction. After some time behind the controls and by also reading the posts that are posted here, you pick up on and learn various techniques to get around those minor issues. The new avenger ARGO has taken that and fixed it for the most part. WHen you go into a turn, you can feel that the power is still moving to the other side, but the inside tires still are under power and will continue moving unless the break is fully applied, locking the one side to let the other spin the vehicle around.
HOpefully this helps you out some. |
Steve Ratey
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Dave,
I really appreciate your information.
I went to the Local Argo dealer to look at the Avenger that you mentioned. He didn't seem that knowledgeable. He said that the drive-train, and transmission in the new Avenger and the older Conquest are the same . . . unchanged. So I will have to get my informantion from you:
How did Argo solve this with the Avenger? Can you provide any more information?
As a secondary question:
I have heard that, in general, a tracked vehicle can take you up inclines that you really don't want to go.
Is there a power limitation on the inclines that your Argo will climb?
Traction is always a limiting issue once you reach a certain threshold. So I guess my question, put another way, is: On a steep incline, will the machine power out, or spin out first?
I see that you are in Canada. There are a great deal of mountians in Canada, depending on where you are located. Where I hunt, it is nothing to gain 5,000 feet elevation in the length of a 7 mile trail. 45 - 65 degree inclines are common. If the Argo is not able to power itself up such an incline, I would need to take a second look.
I was looking at the factory specs of the Triton Predator, the Hydraulic counterpart for the Argo machines. They claim to have a lower ground pressure than the Argo machine does. However, in all fairness, I simply can't make the numbers agree. Their machine weighs in at almost double that of the Argo. The overall dimensions are comparable, the tracks are pretty much the same. From my un-professional viewpoint, it would appear that the numbers have been 'fudged' a little in favor of the Predator.
The weight of the two machines and the control issue are pushing me to the Avenger.
According to the sales information for the Predator, each of the 8 wheels are driven independantly by the Hydraulic system. So, under certain conditions, you could have all 8 wheels spinning at different RPM's, all based on their traction at the specific point in time. Forward movement of the AATV would be based on the wheel(s) with the most traction.
I am new at this game, so I would think there would be greater safety for me to go with the most control, instead of the unforseen incident where you may have one wheel spinning wildly, which suddenly catches traction and 'launches' you unpredictably.
I must say, I am facinated with what I am seeing so far about this type of vehicle. I am excitedly waiting until next summer when I will be in the market for a purchase.
Steve Ratey |
Dave Keeso
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Last month I believe it was, ARGO introduced all the mid-range to high-range ARGO models with the new steering system that the AVENGER was designed with. The transmission in the ARGOs are basically the same and not much changed in many years, but they are extremely tough.
The question about the tracks and inclines- depends on the conditions. If you are talking about on hard ground or dirt, yes it will climb but only until it looses traction. THat greatly depends on several factors ie- weight of vehicle, load (if any) ground conditions, it keeps the machine floating at a lower ground psi than with the tires (the least psi on the ground is more or less the goal in muddy conditions and swamp type areas.) I'll let someone else explain this one to you - |
david berger
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And don't forget steve:
all the facts you can find online don't add up too much.
hours and hours minceing stats and quotes could drive you mad,
and there such a simple way to make acomfortable decision, simple find some folks in your area to hook up with for rides, dealers and owners,
or better still take some time off when theres a posted rideing event on route6x6 and travel out too it to do some real life tire kicking,
99.99% of AATV owners will happely give you opertunity to drive there rides and also will take the time to personaly edducate you on there finer points, |
Rogersmith
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Steve, these vehicles will generally outclimb the limitations of the driver . IE, it's too scary looking. That's when there's good traction, and just on tires. Tracks are for snow, swamp. Power is not an issue, the tires or tracks will spin at it's climbing limit. Argos have a low/high range gear so you can idle up anything it will climb in low if needed. On snow, the climbing limitation is much more obvious. You mentioned 45-65 degree inclines. Nothing will climb that, unless it's dry pavement. Now 45-65 percent grade is half that of degrees I believe. It's been discussed here before, people measuring the actual degree of slope they climbed. It took me years to get the nerve to climb slopes my 8 wheeler can handle. I suggest you find owners/dealers that will take you for a ride in these various machines. Anything you buy will need a winch.
I guess being in Alaska, you might run tracks full time in certain areas. Did you see this picture at argo's web site?
http://www.argoatv.com/stories.asp?SID=30 |
Steve Ratey
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Dave,
Thank you for the response. It is very helpful.
I appreciate the explaination of the steering.
The response on the traction/incline issue helps solidify the question in my mind. I asked it in a confusing and convoluted way.
Does the Avenger have enough power in Low Range to pull the machine up an incline, so long as there is enough traction?
Or Conversly, will the machine stall out instead?
Steve |
Steve Ratey
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RogerSmith,
That was the information I was looking for. I was simply not asking correctly.
I surmised that the engine might have enough torque to keep the wheels spinning. . . Traction is another matter.
Grade-Angles:
There is one place where the inclinometer on my hunting rifle registers 45.7 degrees. The incline lasts for approximately 64 linear feet. There is a small ledge at the top and the bottom. We have gotten Quads and Polarix 6x6 machines up that slope un-assisted. It is a grassy trail and relatively smooth. We have had a Polaris Ranger 6x6 try the assent once. However he was pulling a 100lb trailer and could not make it. His front end started coming off the ground. We had to tie a number of machines onto him and pull him up the rest of the way.
I know of another incline that is 60.3 degrees. It lasts for 74 linear feet. Now that is HAIRY! We have never taken a Ranger on that slope.
Based on the assertion that no machine can climb that kind of an incline, I will double-check my figures.
I will check the calibration on the inclinometer (but it has never been off before).
I will also do a little surveying and actually plot the slope. Between those two checks I will be able to say with a greater measure of certainty.
In my ignorance of the Argo type vehicle, I would be very apprehensive taking it down such an incline. The breaks would not be the problem. I would think that maintaining control could be more of an issue.
With a quad, you simply feather the rear breaks to maintain as much control as humanly possible. I don't think you have 'front' and 'rear' breaks on an Argo Avenger, do you?
Thanks for the Argo site showing the tracks. Yes I had seen that while doing research on the Avenger.
In my ignorance, I really don't know which would be the best for my usage. I can see where tracks would certainly help in the swamps, tiaga highland forest areas, and the bogs in the high mountain valleys. From all the information I have read to date, it seems that a measure of water navigation is sacraficed when tracks are used.
So I guess the bottom line would be exactly how much of the time do you really need the ability to navigate in water vs. the need for the floatation characteristics of the tracks?
DavidBerger,
Good point on the statistics vs. seat time. I will see what I can do to get into the seat of an Argo. A friend has an Argo Conquest. I will see what I can do.
Thanks again for both of your posts.
Steve R. |
david berger
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i don't know why so many people mount winches to there machines and then refuse to use them when they actualy might be usefull,
my point is i were faced with an extreem climb or decent i might use my winch to help facilitat safely the climb or even the decent if it seamed nesesary,
otherewise whats it for? counterwheight?lQQk's?? |
Jerry R. Nuss
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The quads may be able to get up some steeper slopes not because of traction but because of momentum and speed. The Avenger is not going to have the ability to rapidly accellerate and hit the hill at 40 or 50 mph and use the momentum to get over the hill. If it was just a test of traction with speed being the same the Avenger would have more traction by far.
Power will not be an issue on the steep hills, in most cases the machine will only need a bit more than idle to roll up the hill.
I spent yesterday running on some old strip mine trails that can be very steep. I used low gear and maybe used about 1/6 of the throttle all day.
For going down hills there is a technique to it. The machince has to be running well and the carb needs to deliver the proper fuel and air seamlessly. Stay on the throttle slightly to keep the clutch and belt engaged. While maintaining power and forward motion pull back on the controls and apply the brakes. This will allow the engine and transmission to also be used as a brake. A roll bar and seat belts are a big help here. Not because of rollover but to be able to stay in the seat and not slide off.
Another problem you may encounter is trail width if quads have been using the trail and digging ruts into the hill and crest of the hill. Some of these I can't get up because the crest of the hill has been worn in so much that where the tires on the Argo fit it is has been worn to almost a 90 degree. So I have to find an alternate route. |
Steve Ratey
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It is nice to get feed-back from folks who actually use the machines in question.
There are a lot of other threads that turn into a Ford vs Chevy controversy.
Question:
Do either of you run an after-market suspension seat in your Argo?
I realize that tire pressure may help in this department.
Also wondering what the ride would be like with tracks on. Any ideas?
Thanks for your time and help.
Steve R. |
david berger
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jerry it's bin years since i have thought about this but once apon a time when my maxII was young and still in good shape i made a high speed climb on a quad trail and got jambed in one of thoughs noches!
no way did i want to back down that inclin!
i gave it more amd more throtle and tryed to wiggle it but only plowed it deeper and tighter into the dirt on each side,
i guess i hoped it would squeze the body up and out of the notch and then alow the wheels to push me a few feet more to where the whole machine would be above grade, but alas it was not to be,
i had to revers it and beleave it or not it wouldent buge!
it took twice as long and twice the wiggleing and shifting my weight from side to side to free it!
once freed i stoped and said a prair and held the cheep ass brakes as hard as i could and chainged the gear to forward again, then let it roll back some, i throtled up a little now and then to slow and sometimes stop my decent,
part way down the hill the grade gets a little less thretening and at this point a went forward and turned to drive it the rest of the way down,
i was happy knowone had come by and saw me stuck like that. |
Rogersmith
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Steve, I'll take back my comment about "nothing can climb that" particular incline, as I havn't measured anything I've been on. I was going by what's been discussed here in the past, that what looks near vertical turns out to be less when measured. I do think that if traction is good enough, a quad will lift the front end on a slope that I can climb without trouble. Like Jerry said, a quad can use momentum from a running start, if the hill allows, to climb something we can't. On the other hand, I think the 6 or 7 ft wheelbase and lower center of gravity of the 8 wheeler, will let me start and stop anywhere on the slope, and sometimes turn around on it and come back up/down it. Downhill, I don't think a quad can handle a steeper slope. Keep it in low with the belt engaged and a little braking to limit engine speed, and crawl down it as slow as you came up. If it's slick, all bets are off whether quad or 6/8 wheeler. If you crash, at least you're inside a vehicle instead of being thrown off of it.
Find some test rides and see what you think. A few will give you an idea. But it's like anything else, your opinions may change with time and experience, and what you want out of a vehicle. |
Dave Keeso
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Steve, I run tracks on my older ARGO magnum 8x8 in the winter up at the cottage. They do slow you down a little depending on the machine, the tracks are fairly heavy, extremely strong ( I have never heard of someone breaking their tracks- but if anyone has, speak up!) so the tires have a lot of weight to push in addition to any load you have. However, they keep on moving no matter what you get into. As long as their is traction, they will get you through. If you are running through wet sticky snow, and you try to turn, you may loose all your speed if the tracks are pushing all the weight from the snow, but allowing the break to feather (on and off) you can maintain your power easily. Running on flat ground with tracks, its a little bouncy but not uncomfortable. If you are running tracks on hardpacked dirt of pavement (not recommended) it is much more bouncy. Beign able to slap on the tracks and get going again is a great feeling only a select few get to boast about. Weather its an ARGO or MAX, having that option just adds to the list of versitility.
As far as traversing over steep inclines and going down them, The argo has more control than you may think. I saw it posted above somewhere about keeping the throttle up just enough to engage the clutch and then using the breaks also, it does work and by also shifting into low gear and keeping the throttle up a bit works even better (also using breaks). Seatbelts are a good way of ensuring you don't loose control by falling off the seat (my knees have been mashed into the firewall of my ARGO more times than I can count on both hands. I only use the seatbelts when i am in very rough terrain, they aren't really necessary otherwise. (good for disabled people though- if one can't use their legs to support the rest of themselves and hold them in position, seatbelts are a good solution.) |
Steve Ratey
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Wow !
That is impressive. I see what you mean about the longer wheel-base and low center of gravity.
And to think that it is possible to even turn around on some of the inclines. . . that far surpasses the abilities of a quad.
Yup, I'm sold.
I realize that the 8-wheeler wont do everything a quad could do. But from the posts in this forum, it is obvious that it is not supposed to. I have also come to the realization that many of the posts expressing dissatisfaction with the abilities of the AATV is due to rider error/inexperience.
From what I have read, they can go just about everywhere the ATV's go, albiet a little slower in some cases.
By contrast there are a lot of places where the AATV can get to that the 4-wheeler could not. Bogs, Swamps, water crossings, etc.
I'm sure that it is not 'invinceable', with the ability to go everywhere and do everything. But it appears from what I have read that it will go everywhere I want to go.
Now I just need to get some seat time in my buddy's Conquest. I am looking forward to that.
I have already figured out my first hunting excursion.
There is a place where I go moose hunting that is un-touched because of the water crossing. It's a beautiful area. However, there is no way to drive an ATV across the small river, it is too deep and wide.
I can't wait. I get excited just thinking about it.
I'll have to get some time and experience at the helm first . . . But I can't wait.
Steve R. |
Wildlife Control
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You need to take into account the ability of the quad rider to stand and shift his weight forward thereby not allowing the bike to flip and also giving the front tires more traction. On a long steep incline quads have speed, momentum and traction. 6's don't. 6's win in the water, quads win everywhere else. |
Steve Ratey
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Wildlife Control:
I would agree with you on the speed and momentum points.
However, on the traction issue the numbers don't agree with the statement made.
Let's take a Polaris 6x6 vs any big-bore quad.
The 6x6 will excell in climbing and traction over the quad, all other factors being equal.
Common occurance: you drop into a small mud-hole with steep sides all the way around. The sides are 24" high and verticle. 18" of mud in the hole. All told the whole thing is 5'-6' in diameter.
The quad will not generally get out of that without the rider dismounting or getting assistance. The front tires are spinning on top. The rear tires are digging in under the mud on the bottom. Unless there is something for the front tires to grab onto (root or a rock) the tires will simply sit there and spin.
By contrast the 6x6 will pull itself up and out of the situation because of the added traction, provided by the added axle.
I know this because I have seen it happen on numerous occaisions on one particular trail we frequently ride.
Simply put: Longer wheel-base combined with more rubber on the ground means more traction.
If you read some of the posts in this forum, you will come across testimonials of 'tug-of-war' bouts between quads and 6 or 8-wheelers. The quad's wheels are certainly turning, sometimes at high rpm. Despite that fact the quad is being pulled backwards against its will. Why? It doesn't have the same traction as the 6 or 8-wheeler.
This debunks the statement that the quads out-perform in the traction arena.
Speed and momentum- sure.
Traction- simply not possible.
Steve R. |
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Get some of David Berger's or John Schwab's videos and watch the 6's and 8's trying to get out of Ramona's mud hole (I think thats what it was). Only one makes it - a fast Max IV. They rest can't because once the leading tires clear the top (if they get that far) the trailing tires have no traction and they spin pitifully back to the bottom of the pit. Or sometimes turn over. Unless they make it far enough up to rock the front end over the edge (momentum)they haven't a chance. No quads were shown in this mudhole, I suspect because it wouldn't have been much of a challenge. But, then again, you don't see quads roaring off across ponds and rivers. |
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Quads had a big problem in that mud hole. We used to (when Humphrey had them) run the dice runs with the dirt bikes and quads in our six wheelers (about 6 or 8 machines). We would leave about an hour ahead of the quads because we, of course, are not as fast as they are. Many times, we would stop at "Ramona's Mud Hole" and have a trail lunch and wait. We would winch almost every quad out of the hole who tried it. Some were wise and went around it. All in all we had a great time, met a lot of really nice quad owners who, after the first few dice runs, welcomed us as part of the "group", and the best part...everyone had a good time. Quad owners, 6 and 8 wheeler owners, and even some 3 wheeler owners. Nobody cared what you rode, just help each other out and have a great time enjoying the trails. So, some terrain is tough to tackle no matter what you're driving. |
Steve Ratey
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Nice closing point: Some terrain will prove challenging to any machine.
I had become a little cocky. I presently have a very competant quad. There are times when I do go off by myself in the 'toolies'.
In general, there may be nothing wrong with that. But living here in Alaska, there is no such thing as 'walking out' from some of the trails if you get into a 'pickle'.
Between the animals, terrain, and weather, a mistake will send you to the Happy Hunting Ground in a hurry.
You made me stop and think. Thank you.
Steve R. |
Jerry R. Nuss
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Steve, It seems you are going to be using the vehicle for transportation and load hauling. Judgement is the key point on this whole thread. When people speak of mud holes that these vehicle get stuck in..they are mud holes that they know will be extremely difficult to get out. This is more of a play aspect to see what the limitations of the machine and driver are. The mud hole could have easily been avoided by driving around it. This holds true in most situations if it looks to difficult or unsafe then choose a different route. Where I ride it is dense woods and I can easily go over virgin terrain. My biggest difficulty is on paths that have eroded, especially when there are large roots crossing the path. Going down some of these paths is very hazardous because there may be a large root then erosion on the other side that is not visible and it can be a two or three foot vertical drop back to sloping ground. These can put a person into a roll over or endo situation very quickly. So I may get out and look it over then decide to go over it or turn and cut around it.
The machines can get you into some very remote places quickly so planning for the worst is just part of good judgement. A breakdown, bad weather, medical problem, getting lost are all things that should be thought out. You can read lots of stories on here where people got stuck, flattened multiple tires, sank their machine in a river or lake. So use good judgement. |
Bubba Hunt (Unregistered Guest)
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Howdy to all of my old AATV Home Boys.No I haven't died and gone to Swamp Heaven, just haven't had any repairs to discuss. The old Hydro-Traxx is going on 3 years without a glitch. Sure wish something would break so I'd have some thing to share.
Been out videoing 14 bearhunts in the last 3 weeks.Got some kool footage.
I know..I know, it's too heavy and the hydraulic steering is so smooth that I sometimes fall asleep.Haven't been boiled in hot fluid yet though.
PS, my wench has still got the wrapping paper on it.
Bubba shadowmountainoutdoors.com |
Tom Phillips
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Hey Bubba: Why don't you post some of your pictures, would love to see the hunts, along with you Hydro in action!!!! Enjoy your stories. |
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Tom, this old "dial up" is all I can get up on this mountain.Down loading video is non-existant.
I did make some DVD's on the hunts though. I have one that is the Hi-Lites of the bear footage, and I turned it into a commercial for Shadow Mountain Outdoors.I can send you a copy of it and maybe you can down load it for the Swamp Rats.
I didn't use the HT for the hunts. I was in a 75 foot boat. We hit the beach running when we spotted a bear.
E-mail me at oldbearhunter@alaska.net if you are interested.
By the way,my new book "The Wilderness Trail" is doing good.I now am doing "Bear Encounter Seminars" all over since my book has been out.I have a big chapter in my book about dealing with those critters.Give me a yell if you want a DVD.
Bubba www.shadowmountainoutdoors.com |
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