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wadden
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Username: Derrick32
Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2005
Posted From: 24.224.133.178
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 08:25 pm: | |
I,ve got this older ARGO i was going to Part out someone told me it might be a supersport i don,t know anything about these machines it is a 1973 model i,m told it is green in color transmission says 3190g on it should i restore this if not is is worth anything it,s all intact . |
Eddie L. Beddingfield
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Username: Argo2003
Post Number: 14
Registered: 08-2006
Posted From: 205.188.116.8
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 18, 2006 - 09:19 pm: | |
If it were a SuperSport, it will have white vinyl upholstery,racing stripe,head temp gauge,tachometer,440 cc motor and a ss stamped into the trans after the manufacturing number.It would be a good restore as most all parts are available.A 4-stroke motor and clutch would be a good start,as long as the body and sprockets and bearings are ok.Eddie |
Joshua McCastle
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Username: Mccastlej
Post Number: 19
Registered: 06-2006
Posted From: 172.144.148.204
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 11:26 am: | |
weren't the only green argos made back in 73 supersports? From what I know the orange ones were just the regular argos that only had a 400cc engine in them. Why would you put a 4 stroke motor in something that originally came with a 2 stroke? The best thing to do would be to find out what the original motor was, and see if you can find one. They used regular snowmobile engines back then, so it should be easy to find a replacement. |
Eddie L. Beddingfield
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Username: Argo2003
Post Number: 15
Registered: 08-2006
Posted From: 152.163.100.65
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 03:15 pm: | |
Joshua, There were both green and orange models of supersports,I have had 2 orange models.Both were nice and fast,but they were useless for anything practical,like work,timber trails, being quiet.I used to be a big 2-stroke fan,but if you want to use your 6x6 for more than racing,get a 4-cycle. |
Joshua McCastle
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Username: Mccastlej
Post Number: 20
Registered: 06-2006
Posted From: 205.181.102.85
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 03:38 pm: | |
I have an 1974 Argo with a 2 stroke 635cc Rotax engine in it. I can do anything with it that you could do with a 4 stroke, with the exception of being quiet. At least the 2 stroke has enough power to easily turn tracks without a problem. I've had no problems pulling anything, and I have had no problems trail riding. Although not necessary, I do like the fact that if I want to I can get my Argo going over 45mph. It wouldn't seem bright to me to take something that isn't very common anymore "2 stroke Argo", and change it to something else. Would be like taking a model A and dropping a electric/hybrid motor in it. |
liflod
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Username: Liflod
Post Number: 103
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 151.201.211.103
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 03:48 pm: | |
I think it would be more like taking a Model A and dropping independent suspension under it. Installing a crate 302 with fuel injection and air condtioning.
Less maintainance, starts right up and can go the long haul without problems. Also a 4 stroke machine will bring more money than one with a 2 stroke. |
Joshua McCastle
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Username: Mccastlej
Post Number: 21
Registered: 06-2006
Posted From: 205.181.102.85
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 04:08 pm: | |
Seems to be some extremely biased 4 stroke people here. Would be nice to hear from some 2 stroke people. Regardless, you still have the same maintenance issues. And if you put a 4 stroke in, it would be like dropping to a enemic smaller less HP output motor, not dropping in a engine that is double in size and HP. 40HP is still 40HP, and the 4 strokes in these are only a little above 20HP. Gee, some are even under 20HP. A 20HP is equivelant to 14920 watts, and my 40HP is 29840 watts of power. You fail to mention about torque, but that's what a correctly adjusted centrifugal clutch and torque convertor are for. Even though the 635cc that I am using is rated for 40hp, it has much more torque than a 440cc that is rated for 40hp. |
david berger
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Username: Davidrrrd
Post Number: 452
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 72.72.44.52
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 05:39 pm: | |
ok thanks for the watts, cc's n tork lessons,
but how about the RPM's?
without mentioning the RPM's arnt you still obscureing things?
tork is mega inportent and all but what good is an engine that tops out at 4,500 rpm?
although vangard 4 strokes can be acented with rev kits to operate safely up to 6,000 RPM's or so
the real buty of the old time 2 stroks go's ferther than HP and tork raitings, they also ranged between 8,000-threw more than 10,000 if your scyco enoph to run one of them!
where dose thos 635cc engine fall into the RPM's comparesons? |
Joshua McCastle
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Username: Mccastlej
Post Number: 22
Registered: 06-2006
Posted From: 205.181.102.85
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 05:54 pm: | |
My 635cc is a 2 stroke Rotax snowmobile engine. It came out of a Bombardier 640E sled. It would be in the 8-10 thousand RPM range. This engine pulls awesome in the low range, and hits the high end great too. And yes, I am crazy enough to run one of the fast two strokes. I still haven't went as fast as it could go yet. Thanks for your unbiased input David, as it is appreciated. |
Eddie L. Beddingfield
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Username: Argo2003
Post Number: 16
Registered: 08-2006
Posted From: 205.188.116.8
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 19, 2006 - 09:13 pm: | |
Wadden,If you want a reliable machine that you can do some work with then go with a 4 -stroke,If you want a racer that you have to be CRAZY to open up then keep the oil burner.Either way it will be a good restorable machine,Call Richard Clark for any parts or any advise you would need. |
Joshua McCastle
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Username: Mccastlej
Post Number: 26
Registered: 06-2006
Posted From: 205.181.102.85
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 - 05:17 pm: | |
It suprises me that someone that used to run, and race 2 strokes is so opposed and scared of them now. |
Mike Cummings
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Username: Hydromike
Post Number: 26
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 12.180.65.2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 07:45 pm: | |
I feel the need to chime in...
The very bottom line in this discussion is that two and four stroke powerplants behave very differently. Each has its benefits.
The only 6x6 amphibs that are manufactured today to my knowledge are 4-stroke machines, and they are marketed (almost exclusively) to those with utility goals in mind. It doesn't mean that these machines are the very best at every job put to them. Likewise, two stroke machines probably aren't the best choice for lugging around a few people and a trailer into a secluded hunting spot.
An analogy I like is comparing AATVs to automobiles. It's a much more logical to haul 10 sheets of plywood, 3 bags of sakrete and a floor sander home in your F250, and not your Ferrari. That's not to say that the Ferrari doesn't have its place; perhaps it just gets used a lot less.
With the luxury of owning a two stroke machine (sic) comes the responsibiliy of understanding what sort of maintenance the machine requires. They may have the tendency to become "unreliable" when they don't receive the attention they should. There is a reason that the most popular ultralight aircraft powerplants are two stroke engines. Pilots follow judicious maintenance schedules, and are very meticulous about their machines. As a reward for this, they enjoy the pleasure of abundant horsepower and RPM out the whazoo.
Personally, I would love to see a vintage Argo SS restored to original condition, only because they are likely becoming somewhat rare, and it's nice to see an example of where this hobby started.
I have the privelege of owning a couple two-stroke machines, which are far from "useless" at tasks other than racing. With that said, I'm also in the process of slowly (pun intended) building a 4-stroke machine which I can use for its intended purpose, whatever that may turn out to be. It seems that those who belittle the two stroke powered AATV has had little experience with a well-tuned and well-maintained machine.
I would love to see this whole hobby turned right on its head with the re-introduction of a new 430 Cuyuna in a Max II. I would be willing to bet you'd sell more than a couple... The Attex crowd will be over here waiting.
Sorry for the long post;
~mike |
liflod
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Username: Liflod
Post Number: 106
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 24.3.234.58
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 25, 2006 - 10:40 pm: | |
Its about time I get a rise from someone!
If I were to build an Attex or a Big Max, I would prefer to use a 2 stroke engine. But, an Argo needs all the low end grunt it can get to keep going forward when it makes a turn. Unless your going to make an all out performance machine, a 4 stroke is a good bet.
I like to have a few machines for different purposes  |
Restoration of older ATV's