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chicagodog
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Now that Ive gotten enough money to buy a 6x6 Im looking for one. I read a few posts in this section and it seems that the attex is king of climbing? I may be wrong because I read them a while ago and my memory fades but I beleive someone said "If the attex wont climb it you have no buisness going there". This attex, from a mantainence view how is it? Im looking to be be doing some water driving, is it good in water and will it work safely with an electric motor? I will be doing some faster driving on these trails when theyre not muddy. Do any of the models have a hi and lo gears? Any comments are nice because I dont want to buy something that wont do it |
David Keeso (Argomag)
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ARGO will accept an outboard no problem. They have hi, and low gear on them. The 8x8 are very stable, and 6x6 are stable but not as much as the 8x8s. For climbing, I would look at the Bigfoot ARGO. It has rawhide 3 tires, and deep tread. They are supposed to be very good. I havn't had much experiance with them, but drove a friends customized ARGO with the tires and it was almost identical to the now 6x6 Conquest.
I have no experiance with MAX atv, but you may consider looking at them also.
I have an 8x8 ARGO Magnum and it has the runamuk tires. They are good for water, lousy for deep mud and they easily take the tracks. The rawhide 3 tires may not take tracks but I may be wrong.
All ARGO's offer the option of an outboard moter bracket either wood or steel. They are strong and also have a bracket that fits onto the trailer hitch that is a v shape. It supports the shaft of the outboard or electric engine and takes some of the weight off the body.
A long shaft motor for water is mandatory. Short shaft engines don't really work for them becasue the ass end rides a lot higher than the front.
Hope this helps some and e-mail me if you have any other questions.
Anyone on this board will give you great advice but I think that the best advice I can give you is test drive ARGO and MAX and compare the two. Let us know what you decide on.
You will love them!the |
dakota
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Are you looking for a new machine or a used one? Attex has been out of buisness for several years now , so a new attex is out of the question. however I can say that Argo is the only new machine available with a high and low range , also has a larger fuel tank for extended driving per tank . I live in western Nevada and the mountains out here are steep and rocky , my Argo bigfoot has made every clinb and decent with ease. When climbing I feel that the 8 wheelers are alot more stable on the steep stuff , Don't worry I have yet to come close to rolling the bigfoot.The only better climber i have had is my old coot . |
Tom
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Hi Dakota,
I would like to hear more about your coot.
Thanks ...Tom CootTom@aol.com |
chicagodog
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The 8x8 argo does seem to be a stable ride from the video I saw. I always thought the Max had a hi and low from what I read on here. I dont know these days I have a memory of about 10 seconds. Im really looking for something that will be 1) Able to get through big mud patches, 2) be very stable in water, 3) be able to go fast when I need it to go. I live right by the Des Plains River so there are plenty of muddy trails to be taken( water and mud) and I go to Michigan where its not uncommon to see something like a max or argo go down the street so I need speed and floating there. |
chicagodog
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Also a Kadoo is for sale on ebay. 18hp, what is your oppinion on that? |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max Dealer (Fred4dot)
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chicagodog, From what you have stated, you should check out the Max IV 900T. It is the highest performance ATV made; period.! It will outclimb anything except a goat (tongue in check) and that includes a Coot, has the 2nd lowest PSI on the ground (2nd to the Max II), and goes the fastest in water of any ATV.
It does not have a two speed tranny (thank Goodness) and will creep along at a snail's pace up the steepest of hills with a full load or go full speed - all without shifting (meaning stopping and starting again).
I will concede that there is a learning curve on going downhill in a Max, but why penalize yourself forever with an inferior transmission because it takes an hour or so to learn how to do it right in a Max?
Get a demonstration on the Max' abilities from an experienced operator - a novice might be able to see what an Argo can do going on his own, but with the max, you need to have smooth, quiet hands and the ability to understand what is happening to get exceptional performance. A novice in a Max might think there is no difference between brands!! |
dakota
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I have no knowledge on the kadoo, but this is the websight to be on to find out info on that machine. the coot is a good climber because of low gearing 176to 1 in low range , but it is extremly slow , and water performance well i never took it in the water . The T-20 tranny that max is equipt with is foward and reverse only . even though all max lovers will tell you it is the only true 6 wheel drive. Being an Argo owner I disagree , concidering the rare time of being stuck I had a set of ruts dug on both sides of the machine , My sugestion is to find a machine in your budget that you can EASILY find parts for , then test drive it for as long as you can get away with . I have put alot of hours on my new bigfoot and still feel that i have alot to learn |
argogeru
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Fred,
I will kindly disagree about a max iv being the best climber. the argo 8 with the proper tires will outclimb any six wheeler ever made do to the longer wheel base. I have seen max and argo 6' roll trying to climb hills and the eight wheelers will go up them and lose traction before they go end over end. watched a max iv roll trying to climb out of ramonas mud hole were my eight wheeler did and it scared the crap out of me, and i just saw it on the video not in real life. all these machines have limitations, so I urge caution on anyones part.
chicagodog, from what you said a bigfoot or a max iv would be in order, but if you like to climb steep hills for fun on a regular basis, an eight wheeler is the only way to go unless you put a wheelie bar on the back of the six wheeler you choose..,
a max iv with the 26 inch dicos will beat any machine in the water, and the bigfoot has a smoother ride, and i use that term lightly.. and with a little tweaking of the governor they are the same speed. the 8 will not have the speed to keep up with either machine, but will float the best in water.
the perfect machine in my opinion for all perpose use would be an 82 orange argo 8 with a 23 hp briggs and rawhide III tires with straight pipe,... that just so happens to be the same machine I have. buy jon schwabs april 2002 humphrey video and you will see why I know it is the best all around machine. |
chicagodog
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Thanx all I'll begin clearing my garage this weekend hopefully and we'll see where I am by next weekend on the hunt for one of these. |
chicagodog
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Oh I forgot, Im a BIG guy so will I have to live with not having any leg room? It looks like those argos have a very small foot space but the MaxII seems to be ok. IF I dont get any room I'll just get out the saw and change a few things. |
matt435
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The 8x8 argo with rawhide tires will out climb any max. See John's video of the spring 2002 mud run at humphrey. There are many hills and mud holes that the Orange Crush 8x8 argo whipps all max's hands down. The proof is in the video. Matt
P.S. buy the video and help support the humphry fire department. The video is great. |
david berger (Davidrrrd)
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well yah the 23hp8x8 did great, (argoguru)
but the maxiv with a 23hp briggs sporting a rev kit didn't have any trouble ether, (mudbuster)
it's also on the video's i beleave, |
David Keeso (Argomag)
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Since when is their an 8x8 ARGO with the Rawhide tires? I know their are the two 6x6 ones and ODG is going to be putting an 8x8 Bigfoot into production some time in the next year 1/2 - 2. I didn't even know the Rawhide 3s fit on an 8x8 ARGO. If they do, can I get them onto my MAGNUM?
ARGOGERU, do you have any pictures of your ARGO as I would really like to see what you have done with it. I myself have a MAGNUM 8x8 and it is still in great condition providing it gets run very very hard when used. (Used mainly by me when Im at the cottage) |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max Dealer (Fred4dot)
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argogeru, I agree about being careful, but I still think the max IV with 26" tires, is the best climber and I will explain why - Machine balance and about equal PSI on the ground on each and every tire.
With the Max IV, the operator has the opportunity to put his weight (assuming he is paying attention and knows where to put it) where ever it is needed to act as a counter balance. If one has an uneven load and just sits, yes, they can flip over like anything else. The design of the Max IV makes it the only machine (in production) that allows the operator the freedom to use himself as ballast to allow the machine to climb where not even an 8x8 (of any brand - the Predator comes closest) can go. I will also concede that not every operator can do this. |
onerttam
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Funny how these topics always turn into Max vs. argo. Especialyy concidering all the different used machines available. The fact of the matter is all skid steers take time and practice to master driving one off-road, no matter what brand . Unless you have driven a bulldozer for the past twenty years. In my opinion low range is a must have for any off-road vhiecle, doesn't mean you have to use it, but the torque multiplication it gives you extra control with less use of throttle and brake usage.With my Bigfoot I use high 90% of the time, even when climbing steep hills, The 10% I use low range is down sttep hills , and in very tight areas with big rocks. Every a.a.t.v. I have owned has had a low range. I have 2 Coots , 2 and 4 wheels steer, 1 Terra Jet 400e, used to have a sur-trek Ser# 000126, and currenty have a Bigfoot . All have low and high range. |
roadwolf
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chicagodog, i would personally suggest going with the max aatv's. they have true six (all) wheel drive to get you through the nastiest situations. also the T20 transmission is the ultimate to use. the argo's on the other hand use a open differental that is not a true 6 or 8 wheel drive. |
John Schwab (Johnschwab)
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To Chicagodog- My suggestion to you is to attend our AATV Jamboree at Humphrey NY in July(see events section) I don't believe that you will find a greater variety of old,new and everything in between AATVs anywhere at the same time. Most event participants would be happy to discuss their machines and you could get some serious saddle time in many different models.
As a recent entry into AATVing myself it has been my observation that it is the OPERATOR that is the big difference in the performance capabilities of the machines. Argogeru put on a AATV driving "clinic" in Ramonas mud hole. Many other machines both Max and Argos were helpless in there, its all on the videos.
Take the time to ride and drive with some skilled riders(not me) and choose the model you like the most, they are all good. |
Marc Stobinski (Jerseybigfoot)
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I have an 80's Hustler with 25" Rawhide3's and have very little problem climbing anything. I have been vertical and inverted on various occasions as Pete and Dave know. Yes there are limits, but provided the driver has attempted them. Climbing logs are entirely different than climbing out of mud holes. A good log machine may not be a good bog machine. A lower center of gravity in some cases is better than a longer wheelbase, or longer machine. Overhang and approach angles are also important. |
argogeru
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David,
I bought 22 in. rawhides for my 82 8 and they fit great. they do not come from the factory that way. If you put the rawhides on you will think you are in a totally different machine. the runnasucks are good for a smooth ride and general trail riding but if you like climbing and mudding like I do, they are worthless.
P.S. Fred, come to a ride and show us how that max IV of yours climbs. |
argogeru
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thanks John, the orange crush is flattered...
chicago dog,
like john said ride them all and buy what you like. I drive a ford others drive a chevy, I prefer fords with 460s'and differential rear ends..!! |
chicagodog
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Im considering the diferential thing, that has been one of my concernes in this investment. It seems that whenever I think something wont matter before I buy it the next week I need it so the T20 is apealing to me for that reason. The thing I have against the max is that I heard a while back that they arnt as stable in water as an argo and I will be using water alot with it. And also I'm leaning more towards an 8 wheeled aatv of any kind. I guess in the end it will come down to which has the best price and if its something with 6 wheels and only 1 foreword range then I will take it but I am looking for 8 wheels, hi and lo range with reverse, a stable float, and the ability to do 95% of what I tell it to. I want to know more about this diferentials abilities without getting the argo max debate. I need more info about the argos transmition. |
argogeru
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Fred,
Also, with the equal psi on the max iv, when your climbing a steep hill, the psi from front to rear wont even come close to being the same regardless of how you move your weight, and assuming your climbing the hill straight up, you can only lean forward so far in a IV. Most of the psi will be on the rear tires, gravity and physics always win. So in theory, the argo eight being front heavy would more likely have epual psi to each tire climbing a steep hill than a max IV, because the heaviest part of the machine is pointed toward the top of the hill. |
matt435
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Fred, I invite you to come to the Attica Badland ride the 3rd weekend in june and ride with all of us. Matt |
David Keeso (Argomag)
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ARGOGERU, The rawhides you put on your 8x8, are they the goodyear rawhide 3 tires? Do they come with the rims also or do I have to buy them separately. Also, do they last longer than the runnasucks? I have a tendency to use the ARGO extensively on the road at the cottage and pulling really hard doughnuts that scare the shit out of anyone in the vehicle. However, I can send the ARGO into a 180 skid without maintaining the brake thus keeping the speed up and could do it without spilling a cup of something, maybe a few drops but nothing more. At the end of the road at the cottage their is a dead end with a big turn around that is all open. All the loose gravel is there that is on top of the paved stuff. I use that to skid on. However, i pull them so hard the tires start folding at times. Will the rawhide tires hold up to this? I wouldn't do it if i knew the tires couldn't take it but will they grip to well and potentiall cause a rollover? |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max Dealer (Fred4dot)
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argogeru, We basically agree on the physics and gravity (hence the reason many people THINK an 8x8 will out climb a 6x6 - and that the motor in front is better than the motor in the rear), except with the way the argo is built (and max II), the driver cannot get himself in front of the front tires which is very easy to do with the MaxIV. This then brings leverage into play. You also will agree, I think, that a bigger tire rolls easier and rolls over things easier than does a smaller tire. Then you put all these little things together with the better utilization of power and torque from the engine (thanks to the design of the T-20) and there is no contest. I still prefer the 18 hp Briggs engine, but there is no doubt in my mind (reading the specs of all machines and comparing also works) that the Max IV 900T with the 26" tires is the highest performance ATV now in production. Operator, for sure, makes a difference and experience is more important than anything. Some people think I am bashing the Argo (and other machines), but I am not. I just know that PSI on the ground and horsepower to the tires is all that makes our machines special. I think the Max is the best for going when the going is tough. Again, I realize that a lot of people don't go in tough terrain (I don't need the Max's abilities most of the time either, but when I do, I'm glad I drive Max).
Matt and Jon, One of these years, I will get to one of your gatherings. My Dr. told me it would be a year before I would be recovered from my total shoulder replacement (I'm saying six to nine months). At any rate, it won't be ready to do serious maxing this summer. The other thing is it is a long way from Montana (anyplace is a long way from Montana). |
chicagodog
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Well what do you think the the absolute lowest price I can expect for an argo 8wheeler of any engine size without it being trash? I just want to know what should be looking for as a good price. |
argogeru
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David,
The rawhide IIIs are what i have and you cannot power slide them and expect to stay on the rubber very long, the will grip when turning alot more than the runnasucks. they will last 10 times longer too. the rawhides will spin on the argo rim so you will need to buy rims also.
Fred,
I hope your bionic shoulder heals well and quickly, and we will only truely know what machine will climb better untill we can both be at the same hill at the same time and see. I think we are both experienced drivers so I will leave it at that.
chicago dog,
shop around, check to make sure bearings are good and chain, as this is an expensive venture to partake in. basically, add the puchase price to the price it will take to make your machine trail worthy and reliable for repairs and see what your total is, it might be cheaper to buy a 2 to 4 year old machine, plus you wont half to screw with all the repair. |
David Keeso (Argomag)
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ARGOGERU, if i buy the rawhides from ODG, won't they also have the wheeles already installed? I don't want to take the tires off and mount them on another wheel.I would think that they come ready to go. Am I wrong here? |
argogeru
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david,
buy them off the web you can find em cheap. go to atv tires on a search engine and shop around. the runnamuck rims are not good for the rawhides so you wouldn't want to switch them, they will spin on the rim. you will probably half to by everything seperate and have them mounted or mount them yourself. I would go a step further and put superswampers on it, i wish i would have. you can find them on the web under the same search. |
Chicagodog
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You know, the second it goes right it breaks!!!! My motorcycle needs repairs which will semi drain my aatv funds for a while. Its always like this too, and my michigan trip is a few weeks away. Oh well what can you do.
Did the argo 8x8s from the 80's and early 90's have hi and lo gears? I remember a while ago seeing one on ebay with only 1 foreward gear and thinking how stupid is that. |
chicagodog
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Do these 8x8s turn on themselves? It seems that it would take alot of power to drag 4 wheels around to turn with no momentum. |
chicagodog
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I did a search and I saw someone, who owned an argo, say they were only 3 wheel drive!!! I havnt found the answer on this so could someone tell me whats up with that? You would think since all the wheels on each side are conected they would spin together. |
Kevin Vallelunga (Kevinv123)
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An Argo has an open differential. Some consider this 3-wheel drive. No need to re-open that can of worms. Read the archived posts. |
Roger Smith
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A six wheel argo is 3 wheel drive in the same sense that a 4 wheel drive truck is only 2 wheel drive. If you jack up one front and one rear wheel on a 4 wheel drive vehicle, those wheels will spin and the vehicle will not move. That is, if the vehicle does not has locking differentials.
If you jack up one side of an argo, those wheels in the air will spin just like the 4 WD truck, however if you pull a lever on the argo it will slow or stop the spinning set of wheels, and transfer that energy to the other side through it's differential. |
dakota
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Funny how everyone assumes that the diff. inside the argo tranny is just like the one in a car. This is not true , the argo tranny uses planetary gears , a car diff uses helical cut gears. true they both are a differential. However because the application is different so is the differential. This planetay design does not spin one side of wheels easily. In fact every time I have gotten my Argo bigfoot stuck there have been two sets of ruts.Just to be clear to you max lovers, one rut was on the left side with three tires in it , the other was on the right side with three tires in it. So all wheels on an aro do pull. The real question to the max owners, is why do they put up with a transmisson so poorly designed that is has to be serviced every 10 hours to prevent a falure. Sounds like an over heating problem in all those bands. But I'm no expert, however I like my 100hr service intervals on my argo trany. |
chicagodog
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Oh so if I were to get in mud all I would need to do is pull a bit on both sides so make sure each side is operating? |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max Dealer (Fred4dot)
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Dakota, What in the world are you talking about? You wrote: "The real question to the max owners, is why do they put up with a transmisson so poorly designed that is has to be serviced every 10 hours to prevent a falure."
The t-20 goes for 60 to 100 hours between oil changes and about 500 hours between band adjustments. I have had machines in with 250/300 hours that never had the tranny oil changed and they worked just fine (I'm not advocating going that long).
I don't understand why you fellas who feel threatened by the max can't just tell the truth and if you know, just don't say anything. Someone puts out a lot of BS and I catch them on it and then someone says I am bad mouthing people or I am bashing Argos.
And yes, I did have a bad day. |
Douglas MacCullagh (Dougmac)
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chicagodog - Yes an Argo can "turn on itself". At a dead stop, pull back a steering level and goose the throttle and the Argo will turn, pivoting on the inside front tire. It is easier to do on an 8 wheeler than on a 6 wheeler, but it works nicely. As to the "3 wheel drive" argument - it is a lot of smoke. Argo uses a steering differential - an open differential with independant left and right brakes. Steering differentials have been used in a number of military vehicles, including tanks. The Max T-20 uses planetary gears the brake bands that function like steering clutches - a fixed T connection that allows the driver to disconnect the drive on one side or the other and apply a brake. Bulldozers have used the design for years, and it has also been used in tanks. Neither design is always better than the other under all conditions. I suspect that the majority of the time, if you have an experienced driver, an outside observer could not tell the difference. Each has its partisans. Both work very well. In deciding between Max, Argo, Hustler, etc., the steering should NOT be the make or break consideration. Design, layout, features, use, etc are more important. |
Roger Smith
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Yeah the argo diff is planetary, so what? It still spins, and if you jack up your bigfoot you'll figure this out. I'm not an argo basher, I own one. I've also ridden with Max's and seen them drive all wheels in a mud hole without any driver input.
I like my station wagon Argo Response just fine, it has many great features. And I also recognize the best feature of a Max, it's T-20 transmission. It doesn't whine from straight cut gears, and it can freewheel one side in turns. |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max Dealer (Fred4dot)
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The sentence above (in my post to Dakota) should have said "...if you DON'T know, don't say anything." |
dakota
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Well,Well,Well . I thought you said you didn't personaly attack people's oppinions . You claim to only point out the differences,and adavantages your product has. However attacking like that is a very bad P.R. move in the world of sales.Plus on top of that you didn't even say what the factiory recomended oil change interval was. No you said how far it could be stretched, and then covered yourself by saying you recomend changing the oil sooner.Weather or not Max is superior to Argo or not will never matter to me because A max dealer would rather sit here and insult than proprely eduacate the public about his product. So now all my future a.a.t.v. purchases will be that much easier.Concidering no consumer will spend there money at a dealer that insults people. Luckily in America there is a place for buisnesses that treat people that way ,it's called chapter13. |
David Keeso (Argomag)
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Its been said here many many times before and I'll repeat it. owners of various vehicles will defend their vehicles and bash others. Everone has a reason for liking their vehicle and thats that. i don't like the look of MAX and therefore, don't really care what is in them. I like my ARGO. But if I was buying a new AATV, I would consider MAX and test out its features compared to ARGO. WHo knows, I may end up settling for a max.
Have fun with what you got and be thankful you have one. |
Scott Philipps (Argosrus)
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i think that Fred has a VERY biased opinion seeing as he is a max dealer..what do u think he is going to say..he dosnt like argos?thats an oxymoron if u ask me |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max Dealer (Fred4dot)
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Dakota, I did say: 60 to 100 hours! And I'll ask again. What in the world are you talking about - what makes you think the T-20 has to be serviced every 10 hours? What do you expect me to do when that kind of a statement is put out? Well, I did (and will continue to) tell the truth and set the record straight. I'm sorry you took offense to being called on the carpet for your mis-statement. If being successful in sales requires pussy footing around and accepting falsehoods, I guess I am in trouble. What is ironical is that I have been selling Max for eight plus years now and I don't think I have one unhappy customer. No doubt, I tell 'em like I see 'em, straight forward and precise. |
David Keeso (Argomag)
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I see another max vs. argo debate growing here. |
david berger (Davidrrrd)
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you know fred hasent shown that old bias in month's
i'd be among the first to correct him if he did, however as i said he has bin verry strait for monthes now and on this i agree wholhartedly too!
i don't see an argo/max debate here just somone clearing up a mistatment to say the least,
as for my 2 cents, i havent chainged the fluid in my t-20 since 1994!! and it has bin beaten regulerly with a 38 hp 440cc 2-stroke!!
gues what the trany won! the 2 stroke is worn out and the trany still hasent bin "serviced" |
mike martindale (Wetsu)
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hey argogeru where is that atv tire seach at?i would like to find out more about the superswampers.and to rest of you all i have climbed and flipped ass over picklebarrel been stuck in the mud and spun in the snow with most time my bigfoot only had power to 1 side of the machine. i jacked it up and again only 1 side turned the left side to be exact.same for the water. i'm not a tech.so i don't know why all i know is i love the shit out of it.i wish i could ride it more but my wife is getting tired of replantig the grass in my backyard.i have been to deepwater and to fingerlakes,also in mo.i hope to see you all in attica. not yet sure if funds will allow it. |
argogeru
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mike,
Just go to a search engine, and type in the keyword "atv tires" and hit search and it will bring up thousands of atv tire web sites. |
mike martindale (Wetsu)
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argogeru, thanks for the tip.fortunatly,or unfortunatly,i've been riding my bigfoot longer tha i've had a computer.and that ain't been long.going on 2 years now.and so far i've only encounterd 1 other rider and he was trying to sell his.anyway thanks again for the info,the sodbusters i have on there now just aren't cutting it.i mean they aren't bad if you never intend to go in the water.(they tend to make you go backwards when you are wanting to go forward).the price you pay trying to save alittle money. mike |
RickMoMoBigfoot
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Well I'm getting a rollbar for my bigfoot.And I would like any info on seat belts set-ups.I looked a little at some other riders set ups but never asked anything because I never thought about doing it to mine. Mainly how long do these things need to be.And do you odd-set the belts so I can buckle up myself when i don't have a rider with me.I plain on having 2 seat belts on front seat only.thanks for your info.Rick |
Al
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Mike,
You may have your tires on backwards. Check the pictures in your manuals, or on http://www.argoatv.com/ The V part of the tread on the ground should be pointing forward, (or down in back of the machine). It really does make a difference. BUT, these machines are still painfully slow in the water. They DO float, and will eventually get across still water, but an innovation in water propulsion would be welcome!
Al |
Russell Lee (Bigkodiak)
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Rick
Looking at the new 6 wheel Conquest with the new rollbar. They have mounted the outside part of the seatbelt with a bolt through the body molding rub strip. The inside portion of the seatbelt bolts to a cross member on the roll bar itself.
This setup appears to be functional but I don't care for the outboard bolt. I would rather see it mounted to a metal surface as well.
Russ |
argogeru
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rick,
I bought mine from troy at midwest, they are good quality and resonably priced.jon hoath |
RickMoMoBigfoot
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Jon,
where and how did you mount them? Do they have a brand name on them? I've never looked at a max seat-belt setup. I've looked at 2 setups on aatv. Matt showed me where he welded his belts to the metal under the front seat of his bigfoot.And John Martin from Okl.showed me belt's he got from airline auction on his max. I will be checking out all seat belt setups at badland ride. All info from everyone will be helpful b-4 I make the final choice.I need my belts to get small ,my 9 yr old loves to ride and even drive a little.{if it's flat}She's only 62lb.and very skinny,she can't hold on to good.she's getting bounded around.Thank's all,Rick |
mike martindale (Wetsu)
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al, i took off my rawhides,and exchanged them for some carlyle sodbusters.49.00 a piece x6 to save 127.00 for 1 rawhide,not a good idea. the s.b.'s are a nobby tread,hence the reason it goes backwards.just one of lifes little tragidys.but i do appreciate the info,as i believe i need all the help,& advice i can get.now if anybody out htere has a spare rawhide 111 they want to get rid of feel free to let me know...because i still have 5,and it can't be a sixwheeler with only 5 tires.the one good thing about the sod's i get about 1 more inch of ground clearence.as far as the water,thank you mister,minkota for my 30 lb.thrust trolling motor.it does ok. |
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