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Edward Mobley
Junior Member
Username: Edward_mobley
Post Number: 18
Registered: 03-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 03:43 pm: | 
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I was looking at a Frontier / MAX IV comparison photos on here, from back in 2006 around Christmas. I noticed that the Argo had good looking protection over the axles coming out of the body, I think you folks call them bearing cages. On the MAX IV photos there are no cages, just axles. My question here is this, IF one were to purchase a MAX how would you get those cages installed without getting the entire track prep kit? I mean on the site it lists that prep kit as another nice chunk of change. The axles LOOK much sturdier with those cages on them on the Frontier, whereas the MAX IV is just a straight axle.
I was asked this by a friend and clearly was without an answer, so I told him that I'd check and find out. Anyone? |
Jerry Nuss - Illinois MAX dealer
Senior Member
Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 665
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 08:20 pm: |
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You could buy a set of the Argo bearing extensions and install them on the Max IV if you are wanting it to look stronger, and to support the axle more. It would also protect the bearing more. |
Jerry Nuss - Illinois MAX dealer
Senior Member
Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 666
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2008 - 08:31 pm: |
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This idea has been discussed in the past the Max body is not designed for the Argo bearing extensions so a person would need to reshape the plastic with heat.
The axles are also sacrificed on the Max. It will bend before the frame gets damaged. By beefing up the axle to much the load will be moved somewhere else possibly damaging the frame.
I have not seen any axles bent from normal riding and use. I have seen them bent from misuse like running into trees or an uncontrolled roll out of the back of a pick up truck. |
Edward Mobley
Junior Member
Username: Edward_mobley
Post Number: 19
Registered: 03-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 11:16 am: |
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So what exactly happens when you get the track prep package? Aside from the tracks themselves? What is beefed up, or changed? |
Jerry Nuss - Illinois MAX dealer
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 667
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 12:56 pm: |
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Additional frame rail for additional support, Outer bearing cages with bearings, and wheel extensions. |
Edward Mobley
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Username: Edward_mobley
Post Number: 20
Registered: 03-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 04:48 pm: |
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So, you would get this PLUS tracks? OR the tracks are not even part of that package?
And realistically speaking, does that make the unit more durable, even if you never used tracks at all?
It'd have to effect the resale value right? |
Jerry Nuss - Illinois MAX dealer
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 668
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 05:24 pm: |
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You asked about the track prep package so that would not include the tracks. If you bought the track kit
it would include everything I listed above and the tracks.
It may make the axles less likely to bend but a person could replace several axles before it added up to the track prep kit. I don't see any benefit to it if a person is not going to run tracks.
To me the disadvantages would be:
Added weight, more things to get hung up on, wider vehicle so more space needed to maneuver. More bearings to maintain, twice as many lug nuts to check.
For resale it would depend on the intentions of the buyer. |
philip w.cox
Senior Member
Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 523
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2008 - 11:04 pm: |
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I have bent two axles on my Avenger since last June. Front axles with the bearing extensions. Yes, my fault for sure, but I wasn't able to bend an axle in the Max since 2003. Just luck, but they are not fragile. |
Jerry Nuss - Illinois MAX dealer
Senior Member
Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 669
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 12:09 am: |
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Phil did you bend both front axles or the same one twice? How is the headlight holding up? |
Edward Mobley
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Username: Edward_mobley
Post Number: 21
Registered: 03-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 09:13 am: |
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Thanks for the information. My head is a sponge, just sucking all this stuff up. I'll never be a genius, but I WILL be a very "informed" moron in the buying process. LOL!!!....   |
philip w.cox
Senior Member
Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 524
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 10:18 am: |
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Maybe Ed, but I'll bet my "moron" is worse than yours. haha
Jerry', I am so paranoid about knocking my headlight out,that I told the dealer that I'm even afraid to Turn them on. well not really.
I have bought a brush bar from Argo and am looking at ways to use it to protect the headlights.
Axles,- front one at the Ledges event day one.
Same axle last month,full speed on ice, 12" ice ridge,looked like snow Bang@**!# |
Jerry Nuss - Illinois MAX dealer
Senior Member
Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 670
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2008 - 10:35 am: |
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That is bad luck. If it were me I would have leaned on the front when changing the axle and pushed the headlight in. Then it would have been a high speed fly apart for me!
That is how the axles get bent something unseen or catching a tree.
Hopefully you have met your quota on axles and won't have to replace any again.
Did you keep your Max or get rid of it when you got the Avenger? |
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