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Jesse Duke
New member
Username: Yukoner
Post Number: 7
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 08:21 pm: | 
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I ripped the hub (where you bolt the tire) from the right front axle. This is 30km out in the bush. Is it hard to replace the front axel? It is not like I will have a shop handy of course. Any advice would be welcome before I get back out there and find out I forgot something critical. |
Dave Keeso
Intermediate Member
Username: Argomag
Post Number: 95
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 08:54 pm: |
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how did you do this? |
philip w.cox
Senior Member
Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 501
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 09:03 pm: |
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hey jesse there are people who have done this job on your machine on this site. what year and kind of machine do you have/? |
steve chunn
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Username: Schunn
Post Number: 9
Registered: 03-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 10:36 pm: |
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This is not an argo question, but hopefully it will be answered. I have an attex chief with 1" axles and sprocket tube assemblies that are through bolted thru the axles. Has anyone devised an alternate way of securing the sprocket tubes to the axle without the use of the thru bolts? Something innovative that eliminates that pesky connection.
thanks
steve |
Jesse Duke
New member
Username: Yukoner
Post Number: 8
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 24, 2008 - 11:36 pm: |
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Its a 2005 Avenger. I have no idea how I did it. We were probably overloaded hauling gear into our lodge, and maybe hit a tree (I do that sometimes by accident going through forested sections) I have tracks on, and was breaking trail in the snow, and the wheel was mostly off when finally I noticed something was wrong. Somehow the tire stayed wedged in the tracks so we could keep going until we got to the cabin. |
GEARHEAD
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Username: Gearhead
Post Number: 99
Registered: 01-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 08:11 am: |
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Jesse- This happens alot on the front and rear axles when you have tracks on and you hit something with it. If you had access to a welder you could weld it back on and, or, pull the axle out and change it with the one next to it and try to make it back . |
Len Cater
Intermediate Member
Username: Lcater
Post Number: 71
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 - 10:01 am: |
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Jesse, follow the directions on installing the track to a T. There is a large margin for error on this one due to the strain if the tires are not set up properly and you have too much tension. The job itself is not hard, although I would not want to do it 30km in the bush. Get yourself a new hub and gaskets as it requires you to remove the axle extensions etc. I would miss some of the points but if I recall do the following
- remove the tire
- remove the extensions on the hub (assuming the axle is still partially intact)
- remove the outer axle bearing bolts
- remove the chain (makes the job a lot easier)
- remove the end bolt on the axle
- loosen all grub screws on the bearings
- you'll need a block of wood and a hammer to push the axle out of the sprocket
- once out, remove the bearings from the axle shaft (a bearing puller of vice comes in handy and the part that would be tough in the field)
- take new axle, grease it and reposition bearings on it (check bearings to ensure they were no damaged during the ride back home)
- push axle back through outer body, into sprocket body and through the frame. This can be tricky as it might not want to line up perfectly.
- reverse the procedure to reinstall everything
- replace gaskets if necessary - since this is the most vulnerable to water ingress, if there is a tear in a gasket I would replace it.
I think that is it. Before you put your tire back on, follow the procedures in the manual to measure the tires, and install as per the recommendation when using tracks. Less pressure in tires is better. |
philip w.cox
Senior Member
Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 505
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 - 12:37 pm: |
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Steve Chunn- Sorry sir, Your question kind of came up in another line of thought and we ignored you. Attex, 1" axles. Can you get rid of the sprocket bolt? Both Max and Argo now use 1 1/4" splined axles for just that reason. There are guys like Whipper in AZ. that machine new larger splined axles for Attexs, but to answer your question directly, no I have not heard of an easy way to get away from the "sprocket tube bolt thru the axle". There are people like Hydromike in NY who sleep in their garage with their Attexes, maybe they could help. |
steve chunn
Junior Member
Username: Schunn
Post Number: 10
Registered: 03-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, March 28, 2008 - 12:40 pm: |
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Hey Phillip Cox
I have a method in mind to eliminate the sprocket tubes. I thought of using a tapered bushing with corresponding sprocket directly to the 1" axle instead of welding a sprocket to the tube and thru bolting it. My understanding is that the taper bushing will perform without welding. If it will work, I can eliminate one source of potential failures and allow ease of removing the sprockets and bearings from the axle shaft. Any comments from those who may have used tapered bushings?
thanks
steve |
philip w.cox
Senior Member
Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 507
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 10:59 pm: |
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steve, I hope that someone with more knowledge than me chimes in. If you do an axle as you describe please post a pic. |
steve chunn
Junior Member
Username: Schunn
Post Number: 11
Registered: 03-2003
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, March 31, 2008 - 06:50 pm: |
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I already had the 1610 x 1.25" tapered bushings for the 1610 sprockets, as I originally planned on using the sprocket tubes for mounting the sprockets to the axles. I have ordered the corresponding 1610 x 1" tapered bushings. I will try them on the front axles first as they are the easiest to access. I will send pics when i get the front axles completed.
thanks
steve |
Jesse Duke
New member
Username: Yukoner
Post Number: 9
Registered: 10-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, April 05, 2008 - 10:28 am: |
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I want to thank Len Cater for his advice on this. I managed to get the old axle out, and the new one in (minus sprocket and chain), and the track back on. Only took about 6 hours and lots of swearing and tugging. Drove the argo out the 35 km with four flat tires with no problem at all. The shop will do the rest.
Gearhead had a really good idea I did not think about at all. |
Len Cater
Intermediate Member
Username: Lcater
Post Number: 79
Registered: 02-2005
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 09:35 pm: |
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You're very welcome Jesse. Yea, things seem to take longer on an Argo, mainly due to the confined spaces we have to work with. I wish there was a way to design to a hinged body which was still 100% waterproof. Good luck on getting it back. Unfortunately, my knowledge came from experience.  |
Len Cater
Intermediate Member
Username: Lcater
Post Number: 80
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 09:43 pm: |
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Jesse, read my post "Argo Avenger Woes". What happened to my vehicle will affect all late model 2005 and early 2006 models as the axles had only a single bead weld which can not handle the stress of the track and bigger engine. I ripped off both front wheels on the same trip!!! Luckily I was only a couple of miles in, but it still took 4 hours of winching, pulling, driving on flats to make it out. Your model would probably fall into this category and if one went they all will. Call ODG direct and get them in touch with the dealer. |
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