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Alf Wieme
Junior Member
Username: Peppi
Post Number: 10
Registered: 09-2006
Posted From: 207.195.1.6
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 05:42 pm: | 
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Has anyone experienced this? I got stuck in muskeg and while winching the argo out, I forced the air out of the front two tires. I have a 4200lb winch and the unit seemed to have trouble getting it's front end up. I also managed to break trough two inches of ice while crossing a small creek on this trip, glad the argo floats.  |
philip w.cox
Advanced Member
Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 232
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 209.226.251.110
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2006 - 08:16 pm: |
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Alf, what you describe should not happen. Slow leaks, and the bead loses that occur much more often on tires that have gone flat while you were riding, are very annoying and take much of the fun out of a ride. You will probably have to break the beads on your tires,then wire brush the bead area on both sides of the rim thoroughly wipe them clean reinflate the tire to more than the normal pressure and drive them that way for a while to seat the bead completely. W.Phlip Cox |
Len Cater
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Username: Lcater
Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 216.137.162.75
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 02, 2006 - 02:47 pm: |
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Sounds like they were perhaps wedged underneath something before popping out. |
Alf Wieme
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Username: Peppi
Post Number: 11
Registered: 09-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, November 06, 2006 - 05:24 pm: |
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Philip, I agree this shouldn't have happened. The tires have all been through the local tire repair shop just before this ride. I was running the tires at 3.5 pounds in front and back and 4 pounds in the 4 middle ones. Must have been a bad day. I think Len may be right and they were hooked on a log or something within the muskeg. I may try putting the one tire I have a tube in on the front to see if it is more durable. So far it is holding up well. Thanks for the input fella's. Peppi. |
Len Cater
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Username: Lcater
Post Number: 4
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 216.137.162.75
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 01:09 pm: |
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What machine are you using Alf? We upgraded to an Avenger and have been very dissapointed with the Goodyear Rawhide tires that came with it. Everyone of the tires has a minimum of 1 hole we have patched and we only have 30 hours of use on them. Our conquest runamuks never had this problem and we run the same trails. Prior to that we had a Bigfoot and never had the same problems with the Rawhides on those. I have my vehicle in at the dealer and having them check them out. I'm not that bad of a driver, or going over that many sharp rocks. The side walls seem very prone to cuts and losing bead. |
Chuck McGhee
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Username: Chuck_050382
Post Number: 79
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 12.170.193.98
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 04:11 pm: |
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Len,
I have been having major troubles with my rawhides on my 2006 bigfoot. 5 out of 6 have had side wall damage. 3 of them on sunday will ridding at turkey bay.
I wonder if we have some lemon tires. |
Chuck McGhee
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Username: Chuck_050382
Post Number: 80
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 12.170.193.98
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Len,
I have been having major troubles with my rawhides on my 2006 bigfoot. 5 out of 6 have had side wall damage. 3 of them on sunday will ridding at turkey bay.
I wonder if we have some lemon tires. |
Chuck McGhee
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Username: Chuck_050382
Post Number: 81
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 12.170.193.98
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 04:22 pm: |
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Len,
I have been having major troubles with my rawhides on my 2006 bigfoot. 5 out of 6 have had side wall damage. 3 of them on sunday will ridding at turkey bay.
I wonder if we have some lemon tires. |
Rogersmith
Advanced Member
Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 147
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 71.153.171.203
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 04:57 pm: |
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The rides I go on, I see guys carry tire plug kits and a spray bottle of soapy water. Bottle for locating leaks or to clean & lube bead for reseating. That and an air compressor. If you stay with 9" argo wheels, someone is making a beadlock version of that wheel. Supposedly he can run without valve stems without losing a bead.
Contact Matt at: mattacr@yahoo.com |
Alf Wieme
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Username: Peppi
Post Number: 12
Registered: 09-2006
Posted From: 207.195.1.6
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 05:34 pm: |
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Len, I drive a argo conquest with runnamuk tires. I have only put 10 hr. max on the unit since I got it, and I have had 7 of the 8 tires go flat. Three of them went flat the second time on the next outing. All of them had the beads leaking with dirt of stones getting between the rubber and rim. All have now been cleaned and sevices by a tire dealer at least once. I have come to the conclusion that I either had to get new tires (a costly venture) or try and do something with these. I had one tire that had a rim in rough shape so I took David Berger's advise and put a tire tub with a steel stem on, then I used stainless steel screws on the inside of the rim to prevent the tire from spinning on the rim. So far it has not given me any further problems. This ran me $35.00 to have done at the tire shop. I will be purchasing a tire changer unit as I can foresee this to be required tool when operating an argo. I believe the issues around tires to be related more to skid steer turning than to the trails we ride on. Peppi. |
Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 379
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 131.230.43.10
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 05:41 pm: |
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From my conversation with Chuck he has been getting the sidewalls cut with a slash that can't be plugged. I don't know if is from getting pinched with the wheel or just because there is a lot of sidewall surface area.
Do the 12" Max k wheels fit the Argo bolt pattern?
I've got some Argo axles but no Max wheels right now to check. |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 148
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 71.153.171.203
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 06:19 pm: |
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Yes Jerry max/argo bolt pattern is the same.
Alf, I think you may have old tires with loose beads.. your problem with runamucks is not normal, normal is running 2.5 to 3 psi and never having a bead come off. Your traction and ride will be lousy with more than that psi. Most runamuk users have never had a bead come off. After about 6 years mine started slow leaking at the beads so I glued them. Tires and wheels aren't cheap but that is your problem. 8 tires on good rims and I bet your problems go away. If you don't run tracks, I'd look at the new 24" argo tire. |
philip w.cox
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Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 233
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 216.208.194.86
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 08:10 pm: |
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Roger- The price of 8 wheels and "Frontier" tires will probably make Alf have a heart tremor but it would absolutely solve his problems. If anybody does this please let us know cause I'm willing to bet that it also doubles or more your water speed. W. Philip |
Mike Maroni
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Username: Micmac
Post Number: 69
Registered: 07-2005
Posted From: 162.84.111.49
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 08:36 pm: |
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I purchased 6 new tires (not rawhides) and rims last year and the first trip out I had problems with 4 of the 6 tires so it's not limited to just Rawhides. I think the basic problem is the application that we are using these wheel/tire. I know some people will go many years and not have a single problem but I think most of will have tire difficulty in the long run. The off road industry has been using beadlock rims for a long time and it seems that these vehicles are due for this technology. I think a beadlock wheel and tubes would be perfect for these machines. Even the K rims on the Max can encounter sidewall slashes like any other machine. That's where tubes come in, the problem with tubes is the tires can slip and tear the stem out. If you had a beadlock rim and tubes it would be the best of both worlds.(Manufactures any body listening)
These machines are touted as go anywhere do anything but the reality is you get 5 miles in the woods and have 3 dead soldiers doesn't make for an enjoyable ride.
In the mean time I have converted my old rims to the Berger mod and they have performed really well with absolutely no problems. I'm planning on hunting in Vermont this weekend so time will tell in a real world scenario
Mike |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 149
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 70.234.97.243
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 10:34 pm: |
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David Berger's adventures gave me the nerve to drill through wheel and tire and bolt and nut the thing together.. pretty far out there but we get desperate for a fix.
Philip, Greg Orr put a set of the frontier tires on an avenger, said it swam like a max4. Also a 100 lbs lighter in wheel/tire, turns easier. Will be interesting to see the new tire on different vehicles. Am really curious to see them on a maxII. (besides my 8 wheeler) |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 150
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 10:45 pm: |
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Forgot to say, Alf might try gluing his beads, then using Slime sealant for stuff that gets jammed in the bead.
I use Permatex "High Tack" gasket sealant for glue, in a can w/ brush. Mineral spirits or thinner will dissolve it. |
Jack Ouellette
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Username: Beungood
Post Number: 26
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 152.163.100.65
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, November 07, 2006 - 11:59 pm: |
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Where in Vermont are you hunting? I will be leaving for hunting camp Friday sometime. I'll be upo near Cole's pond in Walden. We are up on Stannard Mountain. |
Mike Maroni
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Username: Micmac
Post Number: 70
Registered: 07-2005
Posted From: 162.84.111.49
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 07:12 am: |
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Jack,
I grew up in the Bennington area and my parents still live there. We have a cabin near there in woodford. Looking forward to it
Mike |
david berger
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Username: Davidrrrd
Post Number: 480
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 72.72.36.39
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 08:56 am: |
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on the tube mod:
the tubes will walk over time and tug on the stemm a little,
so once a year i try to pull the cores and bounce them arround a little after the airs out of them to relax the tubes and then re-install the cores and inflat them again. |
Jack Ouellette
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 02-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 04:53 pm: |
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Mike,
How much do you use the do you use the Argo when you hunt? How far are you travelling? |
Alf Wieme
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Username: Peppi
Post Number: 13
Registered: 09-2006
Posted From: 207.195.1.6
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 05:41 pm: |
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Philip may be right about the heart tremors. But if one looks at constant repairs when not undertaken by ones self costs can ad up quickly also. Rogersmith may have a point about the age of the tires. But the tires I had repaired were all glued to the rims from the tire dealer. My conquest is a 2001 with 260 hrs on it. I am assuming the tires are factory originals. The unit won't handle 24" tires. 23" is the max it will handle but going to a larger tire will eliminate the use of tracks which I hope to get in the future. I was thinking in spring to purchase chevron tires as they are simular to the runamuks but much lower in price, both are 2ply & simular tread pattern. Has anyone tried them? So glad this site exists, feedback on these problem is very helpful. |
Mike Maroni
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Username: Micmac
Post Number: 71
Registered: 07-2005
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Jack,
I sent you an email
Mike |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 151
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 70.234.102.233
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 06:18 pm: |
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Those 24" tires will fit a response/conquest but plastic tracks would be too tight, maybe a rubber track would JUST clear, or Balduck's rubber tracks, they look thin. I have a set of atv tires on my response that are slightly taller than the 24" argo tire (which is about 23.5 the ones I've measured), but I don't depend on them for track use.
The glue I mentioned is different than tire mount sealer. My theory is beads get "lubricated" with mud and water and ruts, making them more prone to dismount. The right glue keeps the bead on and tire sealer takes care of the little stuff. |
philip w.cox
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Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 235
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 216.209.98.16
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2006 - 11:24 pm: |
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Roger, Permatex HIgh Tack gasket sealant is recommended by a few of my Argo friends and the beauty of it is that we know in advance how to remove it.
Great to hear about the Frontier tires on Greg,s Avenger. Tim (Mudbuster,s) Max IV has won the water race at Olean N.Y. for several years in a row, maybe......
Alf, nice to see that you are looking at the big picture,heart tremors not withstanding. Hope you get some helpful feedback on the Chevron tires. If tracks are in your future It would be great if you found rubber tracks that could be used with the Frontier tires. |
Alf Wieme
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Username: Peppi
Post Number: 14
Registered: 09-2006
Posted From: 207.195.1.6
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 04:45 pm: |
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Rogersmith, with regular atv tires are you concerned with flipping your unit. I've been told skid steer tires only. The fact that most ATV tires won't propel an argo was not important to me personally. But the possiblity of flipping the unit had me looking at only skid steer tires. What is your opinion on ATV tire on these units? |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 152
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 70.234.139.136
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 10:13 pm: |
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Mine are somewhat of a chevron design as opposed to a knobby. I wanted the tallest tire I could fit.. they are harder to turn, but do slide ok. They aren't good swimmers.. that's the gamble with non stock tires, although they back up better than a runamuk. I'd suggest you stay with the runamuk or the new 24". They are a more sure bet for not losing a bead on the argo wheels. If $ was no object you could have 2 sets of tires and wheels. The runamuks for tracks.. |
Alf Wieme
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Username: Peppi
Post Number: 15
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2006 - 04:48 pm: |
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Thanks for the info Rogersmith.Peppi. |
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