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jim
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 10:34 pm: | 
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hi i need to put a bilge pump in my max iv. what is the best way to fasten it and ware is the best location exactly and what should i look out for,I mean pit falls that i might fall in to.thanks for any help. |
david berger (Davidrrrd)
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pitfall # 1)
never bet your life on a builge pump working,
they are a verry sensable backup plan but
cannot be posativly relyed on,
our machines acumulate leaves,sticks n dirt.
and the acational 1 or 2 gross of asorted bugs.
things of that nature tend to gumb up the best of them so one key to a builge pumps "readyness" might be how often you clean out your entire hull,
a builge pump with a detachable mount is a wise choice as then you may be able to quickly and easaly detach and clean it out if nesesary right there in the thick of it,
a quick disconect on your hose and wires wouldent hurt ether,
good luck dude,
this might make a good "how too "video huh
david berger
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Kevin Streeter (67.141.71.107)
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Im'running two builge pumps in my hustler.But keep
in mind the debris that will get in the hull. So
installing a mesh screen around pump will extend
life of pump and keep it from stopped up with debris. |
philip w.cox
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Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 270
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 199.246.2.9
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I have been looking at a 12 volt PONY PUMP. It has pipe threads for the intake and exhaust and is supposed to self prime up to 7 feet. Do you people think this would be useful for completely emptying a Max 4? |
Ray Kohls
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Username: Bw6
Post Number: 6
Registered: 02-2007
Posted From: 74.110.30.116
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 - 06:14 pm: |
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Jim, I use the Trac Bilge Pump it has a quick detachable base for easy clean out. They are sold everywhere different models from 600 gph up. I mounted mine at my lowest spot which happens to be close to my drain plugs. I only needed one because the other "trough" is connected to the bilge. I also installed a through-the-hull fitting it makes for a nice installation. |
Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 474
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 70.106.219.238
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How many gpm does it move? The more gpm the better if you are going to be using it to get water out of a max to keep it from flooding. |
philip w.cox
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Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 272
Registered: 01-2005
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Ray, your profile is a little thin! What machine do you have? On a Max 4,no room near drain plugs. Jerry-300GPH at zero lift. Talks about draining basements and boats? Would need a screen on intake end-- jam intake under frame near right rear sprocket? I have a Rule bilge pump but depending on load etc.- want to get it as dry as possible before trying to climb out a steep bank. That,s the wrong time to get your belt wet! Google pony pump it comes up and sends you to Northern Equip. |
Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 475
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 71.124.14.115
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300 gph should be fine. And you know about screening. Yes when the belt gets wet you won't get to far. I'll look it up. |
Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 476
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 71.124.14.115
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That is a good looking pump. I like the fact you don't have to mount it down in the water. You can mount it up to the right of the engine on the engine mount and run the hose down to the chain gully. I might have to get one too. |
philip w.cox
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Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 274
Registered: 01-2005
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Jerry-Let,s see if we can get Fred to take a look. I always respect his opinions. Hey Fred, leave Steve Young alone for a minute and give us your thoughts,please. W. Philip Cox |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max dealer
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Post Number: 240
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Posted From: 216.166.168.53
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Phillip, My thoughts are a dime a dozen. I did look at the pump. My two concerns have been mentioned in this thread already. One is capacity; 300 GPH is 5 gallons per minute (not enough to protect against a major bearing failure, but plenty good to remove seepage - I'd rather see 600 GPH or more) and the other is trash. I'd make sure whatever could move oily water and run dry. |
Rob Sandera
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Post Number: 46
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 4.91.134.83
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The Rule and Atwood pumps at walmart work good I have a rule 360 GPH fishsaver I made a camp shower out of there only 19.95 for the fish saver. Fish saver has a nice foam ring to keep out debris. I would mount on rubber grommets make it snap in and out. Or just use the rubber suction cups tie rap on the tube and with a piece of pipe insulation foam and cut the tube and attach a rubber hose to it and drain higher up on the body. The rule is a stainless motor pump I’ve had mine 10 years I’m putting them in all my six wheelers. In boats I’ve seen guys just toss it in the slime pit LOL. I look at it this way if you have bearing failure that you have to worry about 20 gals of water you shouldn’t be in the water in the first place. I drove a trail boss in a big lake with no plugs and I don’t believe water came in faster then a 300 gpm pump could handle. My camp shower pumps just as fast as a good garden hose. We torpedoed in Ranger bass boat on a point where waves roll 3 different directions at once and filled it with water in cold spring Crappy fishing. We kept going and in about 10-15 minutes the pump had the boat dry again. By comparison most faucets don’t put out anywhere near 5 gals a minute so I really don’t think a huge pump is needed. |
Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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Post Number: 477
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 09:53 am: |
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I think the real issue with flooding is when the machine gets swamped. Phil was asking about a pump that would drain the machine before driving it out of the water. And he wanted it to be able to drain completely. The big pumps that move a lot of water are best when a person fears swamping the machine by hitting an obstacle underwater or trying to exit a bank that is too steep or traction is limited and just one side pulls up and the machine turns and dips the other side under. |
Rob Sandera
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 4.91.133.172
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 05:35 pm: |
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The fishsaver actually sucks to the bottom of the blue line about quarter inch from the bottom. Atwood is supposed to have some of the best bilge pumps and you can get an automatic one.
And come on guys wash that tub out once and a while. I pull on a hill or something and use hot water and some times put an old filter on the wet vac and suck that junk out of there and re-oil etc. Make sure you locate a pump where ever your machine balances low in the water whether front or back. Most of my water experience has been in a trailboss and they don’t seem to swamp. I’ve drove them in big waves etc very good water machine. |
Ray Kohls
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 02-2007
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Philip, I have a machine that I designed/built my self I call it a "Bushwacker" I posted some pics in another section. The gutters are joined at the rear, by my rear facing drain plugs, thereby only requiring one bilge pump. I have a Trac 600 gph pump. |
philip w.cox
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Username: Philipatmaxfour
Post Number: 275
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 09:35 pm: |
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Hi Ray- I saw your other post with a pic. of your machine! I read that you are near London? I am 2 1/2 hrs. east of Toronto. If you are going to Olean N.Y. or Becky Orr,s Ohio event we could meet up. I have gone to both for the past 2 or 3 years. I would love to see your machine in person, so would a few dozen of my friends.
Re: the pump, I go into the water often. On a Max 4 , as far as I know, it is not possible to locate a submersible pump at the rear where it would empty the machine dry. If this pump will self prime before it melts down and doesn,t choke on the garbage---it might be the answer-maybe? Jerry,thanks for understanding my question. Fred, did you understand that I am talking about a remote mounted pump, not a bilge pump? W.Philip
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Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max dealer
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Post Number: 241
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 10:58 pm: |
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Phillip, I think I understood the question, (I said: "but plenty good to remove seepage"). In your particular case where you have another bilge pump (for major water removal from whatever situation) and only want to be able to remove whatever water collects under normal conditions at the back of the machine (especially when leaving the water on a steep bank where all the water in the machine flows to the back), I think the pump you speak of will work fine. You probably keep your chain troughs clean enough that a screen would NOT be necessary or advisable (a screen will plug up in most machines and keep any water from going through the pump - grass, mud, leaves and little sticks will plug up sewer drains and culverts). I would want a pump that would take the little stuff that floats in the water right through the pump. I would mount the intake hose vertical about 1/2 inch off the floor of the trough below the drive belt if your desire is to keep water away from the drive belt. Mounted on the right side could leave the left side under water. Assuming the pony pump will handle trash, maybe one on each side would give the capacity and the location to be a good set-up.
I don't think 300 GPH is adequate for an only bilge pump (I'm going to guess that a max IV will hold more than 200 gallons of water). I think a two gallon bucket is a much smarter solution and everyone should have one when they are in the water (even if they have a big bilge pump). Our machines are not a good bilge pump environment and electrical things and water are not always a good mix. I don't think our machines are boats, but if one is going to have a bilge pump, one shouldn't skimp on capacity or quality.
I personally just carry a bucket and insist all aboard wear life jackets. |
philip w.cox
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Post Number: 276
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 11:23 pm: |
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Thanks Fred=Lots of food for thought. If I mount one I,ll keep you posted. W. Philip Cox |
Len Cater
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Post Number: 27
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 72.138.89.77
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 08:47 pm: |
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I think the best bilge pump is the med size sears wet vac. They are a must have for all AATV owners. They will suck up water and debris faster than any bilge pump. Unless you are always going to be floating in rivers and lakes, save your money and spend it on a wet vac.
A replace your drain plugs on a regular basis. |
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