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John Prince
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Username: Jp400
Post Number: 87
Registered: 08-2006
Posted From: 71.141.229.13
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 11:11 am: | |
I wondered if this wasn't a topic worth pursuing. I have seen some terrific quad accidents in my area, mostly about going too fast, higher center of gravity and tippy nature of quads. I have had time of quads and would only recommend them to the most experienced riders. I can't believe how all the locals around here go right out and buy their kids miniature versions from about the 2nd grade on. But I wondered what kind of experiences 6x6 and 8x8 had had with accidents?
For myself, the Van II with the small runnamuck tires was nearly impossible to roll as the center of gravity was just about my butt touching the ground I think. One time my knee accidently kicked the transmission into neutral(older model) going downhill and I had to plow into the embankment to keep from going off into mid air like a frisbie. I was pretty surprised that I didn't flip over. I did in fact fall most of the way out onto the ground but that wasn't anything more than a bruised ego. I always thought that if I went fast enough and tried a full U turn at the end, I might flip the thing.
The new Frontier has a higher profile and I could tell immediately the center of gravity was up at least 6 inches more. Experimenting on a slight sidehill, I nearly slid out of my seat and out of the machine, though the machine would have kept on going without me.
But I wonder what sorts of situations others have been in, how far you can push them without indicident???? My most dangerous situations are always about steep grades. But I would think midwest and east ice and mud and water would open up difficulties I haven't even experienced. |
Chuck McGhee
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Username: Chuck_050382
Post Number: 105
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 12.170.193.98
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 12:31 pm: | |
I have almost rolled my argo twice now. The first time was on a night ride on unfamiliar terrain. That time the machine was past vertical about to go over end over end. Some how I got thrown out, but my wife stayed in. We both were bruised from bouncing around. I landed in soft mud and grass. The second time was result of the first and some damage that was unnoticed from the frist. Nobody got thrown out the second time and I saved it before getting to tipped. Both times were on steep down hill decents and from lack of throttle and brake control. The first time had a lot to due the fact it when cresting a berm and I couldn't see how the other side was due to the dark. Second time the twist grip throttle was messed up and was spinning on the handle bar so throttle control was difficult.
Down hills are still a little uncomfortable, but we will get a handle on them again. However, I am in the works of designing a Roll cage that will make me a little more comfortable. |
Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 421
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 71.244.177.46
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 12:32 pm: | |
I did endos in an Argo Vanguard II twice. That is one reason I switched to the Max.
The first time it happened when I was riding up a hill I could not see what was beyond the crest of the hill very well. I found out later there is about a 2 foot vertical drop before a normal slope. I went over instinctively pulled back and applied the brakes and the Vanguard II hit nose into the dirt and flipped over. It was wheels up and I was pinned under the machine with hot engine oil pouring onto me. The windshield was shattered and I had broken glass ground into my neck, face, chest, and arms. I was pinned for maybe less than a minute before I could push and squirm out from the upside of the slope.
The second time happened going down a hill that way slick with mud. I was trying to control the descent but it was still fast enough that when the nose hit it dug in and vaulted the machine. I was partially ejected and the rear of the machine and seat bar came down on me across the back of my legs. The lateral controls were bent up. I had to flip the machine back over onto its wheels with a few long logs. After that I lost my confidence with the Vanguard II.
I bought a Max IV and it was a night and day difference in going up and down hills. I could see much much better going up hills and going down hills is much easier for me.
Going over logs the forward seating position is nicer going over logs and I don't get that whiplash effect as in the Vanguard II.
I never had a problem going on a side hill or with a side hill flip, it would just slide sideways.
Mud and water make it slick. We have a lot of steep rocky and hilly areas where I ride and these are a challenge. |
Chuck McGhee
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Username: Chuck_050382
Post Number: 106
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 12.170.193.98
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 12:37 pm: | |
I forgot to add the first time when I got thrown/bailed out it pushed the backend back down and my wife was able to get on the brake and roll down to me. |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max dealer
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Username: Fred4dot
Post Number: 226
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 216.166.168.53
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Votes: 4 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 01:52 pm: | |
My experience is with Max!! And this is my opinion.
Anyone with a roll cage/roll bar should always use the seat belts if there is any chance of a roll over. If one were to get thrown out and pinned under (or crushed by) the pipes, it would be fatal. And if you have seat belts and for some reason take the roll cage/ roll bar off, do not use the seat belts. Never use seatbelts in the water.
The danger in side hill travel is having your uphill side go over a rock, hump, etc. that exerts upward thrust when you machine is at its balance point (it doesn't take much) or to have your downhill side enter a dip or hole while at the balance point (this is harder to do). If one keeps his wits and just gases the machine if one side come off the ground, the side with contact will spin the machine to an uphill position (when going forward). I always try to keep the heaviest person uphill (but will always, if it is possible, have an "unfamiliar with skid steers" passenger uphill) and if I am by myself, always move to the uphill side. Rocks and downed timber on steep terrain pose special problems, especially if you need to go up and down gulleys and washes to find travelable terrain and have trees to maneuver through and around.
Straight up or straight down should always be done slowly or at least under complete control. If the front end gets light, let up on the gas. If the back end feels light, gas it a little. Try to keep your weight toward the highest part of the incline. I always stop at the crest of the hill and make sure I know how I want to proceed unless I am on a road or a well traveled trail.
A skid steer always has at least one driving wheel on the ground (unless it is airborne) and in theory can prevent or get out of most any roll over situation. The hard part is reacting fast enough with the correct action. |
Henry Gresham
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Username: Hgresham
Post Number: 19
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 209.142.141.132
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Votes: 2 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 08:56 pm: | |
I have two perspectives on this issue. First, I have a Max II, and I managed to roll it 2 years ago. I was belted in, and suffered no injury. I was trying to climb a rock shelf, and the machine partially climbed up, listed to the left, partially spun on its tail, then fell backwards onto the left side, and rolled over once downhill, ending up on its wheel. One axle was damaged, but it was still drivable. I was saved because I was belted and had a roll bar, and managed to duck into the passenger compartment; now I wear a helmet as well. I also installed a winch so I can use it for those dicey situations where sheer power is not the right technique. I highly recommend winches when in doubt about a climb.
My second perspective is as a firefighter / EMT. I cannot count how many ATV accidents I've responded to, including two I actually witnessed. One I saw was an ARGO (no serious injury), the other was a quad (with serious injury). The remainder I responded to as an EMT, and they all involved serious injury (or we wouldn't have been dispatched). Virtually all have things in common: excessive speed, lack of protective equipment, very little experience, or very poor judgement. For example, recently I responded to an accident in which a young male rider was running fast down a gravel road with his mom on the front cargo platform. Mom was holding her own grandbaby. Driver lost control, hit a tree, throwing granny and baby forward. Baby missed a tree and ended up in bushes, unhurt. But granny was seriously injured by the tree. No one had protective gear, just shorts, tee shirts and flip-flops!
I've responded to quads that hit cars head on, and several rolls. Jumping hills is a big source of injury, but rolling down steep hills is the biggest source of accidents I've seen.
In my experience, AATVs with roll bars are safer than quads IF seat belts and helmets are used. Partly that's due to design and partly due to generally slower speeds and different applications in use. But you can kill yourself or a loved one in either. Use your head, wear a helmet, use the seat belts, and know the limits of your machine. And none of these machines are meant for small kids to operate. You know your kids better than anyone, but be very conservative in deciding when a kid is ready to pilot his / her own machine. |
John Prince
Intermediate Member
Username: Jp400
Post Number: 88
Registered: 08-2006
Posted From: 71.141.229.13
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 10:55 am: | |
Henry: I agree 100% about quads. Barely a month goes by around here and you hear of another quad accident. Its not only what you say, but its the center of gravity. Its simply too high to correct for errors of judgement. There were these two fellows in front of me one time crossing a creek on a quad, obviously out of balance, only a careful flatland route would have been safe. They gunned the engine to get out of the creek and caught a bolder they couldn't see, ended up backwards. They guy in back came up bloody out of the water nearly a minute later, even with everybody trying frantically to find him!
Jerry: yes Van II has to have careful application of both brakes and engine throttle. Brakes alone going downhill can definitely grab and potentially send you end over end. Its a technique the factory ought to spend an entire chapter on but then with the sticks now a thing of the past, I suspect that brake "grabbing" less of an issue.
However, I turned away from the Max to Van because it did not have any backpressure for downhill braking and I was entirely dependent on the sticks and the transmission downhill. Now, that's okay for short runs but is not adequate for a 1/4 mile steep downhill. I had both the Max II and the Van II side by side for several months before I decided that the Van II was potentially safer, though with more of a learning curve because of need to balance throttle against brakes. However, with the accidents you had, I don't blame you for switching machines.
Fred: as usual you have the most scientific approach to all of this. I wish the factory manuals would get written from your perspective. I tell you what, the braking they sent the Frontier out with initially was flat out dangerous. If I hadn't of had four or five years on an earlier machine, I could easily have had an accident straight out of the gate. I notice they have called the cable replacement a "product improvement". Maybe that's how they talk in Canada but around here its known as a defect.
I don't use belts, don't like roll cages which obviously go together. there's a great deal of low lying branches and trees just trimmed to about deer height(4 ft) and I'm constantly ducking to get thru. Also, I like the idea of being thrown free if there was an accident. But compared to what I see so far, I must be driving around like a little old lady from Pasadena(which is by the way where I am from). |
Jerry R. Nuss, Max Dealer in Illinois
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Username: Jerrynuss
Post Number: 424
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 131.230.43.17
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 07:35 pm: | |
There is also a foot brake in the max, for long steep hills I use it lightly along with the regular brakes. |
John Prince
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Username: Jp400
Post Number: 89
Registered: 08-2006
Posted From: 71.141.229.13
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, January 17, 2007 - 09:34 pm: | |
yes, I remember the foot brake. There is nothing like engine drag though to slow and give confidence on a long downhill. that's one thing the quads generally are very good at, usually have a very low gear and you can almost avoid brakes. But come to the end of a difficult narrow road where you must turn around , a quad needs a freeway size area to turn around in. Actually I think the turn around in its own footprint on a 6x6 is much of its huge safety advantage. Almost no matter how narrow or steep, I can usually get up a bit of momentum and make a U turn in my own radius. I remember the Max actually making those turns a bit tighter than an Argo, though compared to a quad, both machines have a huge advantage. With a quad, you are liable have to back several times and the bigger the quad the tougher on the arms to turn in narrow slow speed situations.
Well, guess nobody else has had an accident out there. I was almost guessing somebody would have sunk one of these things in the water? |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 202
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 70.234.101.115
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 09:20 am: | |
There's been a good water story or two around here..
I've kept the rubber side mostly down so far.. here's a couple pics of Al at Haspin. He was belted in, and was reluctant to release the seat belt until someone had hold of the machine, so he had what must have seemed like a long wait. Sort of like astronaut training, waiting on the launch pad? Hehe.
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momobigfoot
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Username: Momobigfoot
Post Number: 8
Registered: 09-2006
Posted From: 69.150.82.102
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 07:14 pm: | |
I don't have any pics but I rolled my Bigfoot upside down. I was in the woods going down hill in a creek or washout area. It had a steep vee at the bottom. A big tree was across the the path i was going about 4' off ground. I had my brother-n-law with me and i spun sideways to go around. I had to back up to get better angle and speed. I back up and was climbing a tree before i could get out of reverse we was standing on the nose . You know when your at that place you don't lean the wrong way.Well I was starting to say something like"don't move or lean forward. " My rider jump out and watched me ride the roll. People that have rode with me know I have a " light bar " on it. That's what they call it the guys I got it from on this site.I met at rides.But most call it a roll bar system.That the factory top and widshield will fit still. I wasn't hurt . I had one hand locking me stiff and one on the right leaver. It was upside down and still runing. We got it over on the wheels and shut it off and looked and talked a little about what happen.Had the back area full of stuff and had to pick it all up.Well it wouldn't start. I removed the air cleaner and oil was coming out with gas. We winched it out of the creek and down threw the woods to a more level area to work and let it sit. Finally it started and smoked a little but it was all good. this would have been very bad for me if I didn't have it. It was a slow motion roll over and I bent the lever a little from being stiffed. But I bent it back and you could never tell. |
Missouri's Max and Argo Dealer
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Username: Brandon_price
Post Number: 198
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 69.27.205.35
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 08:23 pm: | |
Here are some pics of a roll over at the Badlands in Indiana, 9-15-01. I took pictures as we were running down the hill to the rescue.
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Bud
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Post Number: 75
Registered: 11-2005
Posted From: 167.230.104.90
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 11:30 am: | |
How did he manage to do that, Brandon? The terrain doesn't look too terribly steep there.
Rogers I can see...  |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 204
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 70.234.99.134
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 12:03 pm: | |
I've seen that pic at Brandon's site before and wondered the same thing. Looks like a rummage sale! Hope no one was hurt. Examining the evidence.. the rubber skirt is torn off, the nose has been rubbed in the dirt.. debris scattered uphill. I'll guess they were going downhill, maybe something steep behind Brandon and his camera. Looks like a forward flip, somehow.
My maxII pictures, Al was feeling gutsy and the terrain was impossible, and he hammered it anyway.  |
John Prince
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Username: Jp400
Post Number: 90
Registered: 08-2006
Posted From: 71.141.229.13
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 12:35 pm: | |
Now that's more like it! I figured somebody out there had pushed 6x6's past the limit. The reason, by the way, I am keeping the Van II is so it will be available to drag the Frontier out of the woods when the inevitable happens.
Well, I guess if anybody "sunk", there wouldn't be any pictures would there. |
Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max dealer
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Post Number: 228
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 216.166.168.53
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 12:54 pm: | |
John, You wnat to make sure that you either prepare the Van II for storage or use it once a month. Batteries and fuel don't do well just sitting. |
Derek Hubbard
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Username: Justmax
Post Number: 48
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 71.64.127.199
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 12:58 pm: | |
Brandon's pictures are a good case for everyone having rollbars on their AATV's. I can't see everyone not getting hurt trapped under an AATV like what shown in Brandon's pics.
Live to Ride another Day
That is just my take on it
Derek |
david berger
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Username: Davidrrrd
Post Number: 492
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 72.72.32.68
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 02:37 pm: | |
well i got squished once in a rollover, but i still identify with john prince in that i just cant give up on the open fealing that alowes me to duck and gun the gass under fallen logs and low branches or thickets a rabbit would have gone arround.
i had two other incidence i was able to bail from so im still comfortable enoph without a rollbar.
now if there was a folding option.............. |
Chuck McGhee
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Username: Chuck_050382
Post Number: 107
Registered: 01-2006
Posted From: 12.170.193.98
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 02:47 pm: | |
David, if you build your own with a little engineering you could make it foldable. possibly use some hitch pins or something. |
david berger
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Post Number: 493
Registered: 01-2005
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 04:56 pm: | |
well Chuck i do think about it sometimes,
back when i was just out of high school and into hot roddin my cars i seam to remember there was something that might come in handy in this aplication that was used in 8 point and 10 point roll cage systems on street rods that alowes the driver to use the door and still link the cage securly when fastend.
its a quick disconect on a swing out bar for entry into the car.
i think this quick disconect might be worth looking into for a folding yet secure rollbar.
but then again i havent the cash to go looking into it right now. |
John Prince
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Username: Jp400
Post Number: 91
Registered: 08-2006
Posted From: 71.141.229.13
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 08:16 pm: | |
I had this special light weight canopy constructed for summer, about the height of the standard convertible top. I misjudged a branch and moving along at a pretty good clip, the canopy bent back behind me and broke away.
Fred...you are exactly right. I feel guilty everytime I open the garage and see the Van II sitting there forlornly. My son was supposed have moved out here by now and that would be his job...playing. But he's month's behind and for all I know the Van II won't even start. |
Len Cater
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 02-2005
Posted From: 72.138.89.77
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 10:05 pm: | |
A 6 wheel will flip back on a steep uphill sooner than an 8 wheel. I notice most roll overs posted were in 6 wheeled AATV's. Good common sense is always the safest way to go, but accidents will happen. I saw a 2005 Avenger that the guy rolled over at high speed. He was taking a corner on a roll and got into soft gravel. It slid off the road and rolled down the embankment. The driver was fine, his Avenger a mess, and when I saw it he was getting a ROPS on it.
I was in a Bigfoot with my cousin when he turned into the slope and I went over and out the side. |
John Prince
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Username: Jp400
Post Number: 92
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 07:36 pm: | |
Len I usually take pretty good care as to where the weight is, going uphill taking care any 3rd passenger in the rear isn't too heavy; downhill I shift them put the heavier one in back, or sometimes I make everybody get out and walk if I'm particularly concerned about the steepness. And, more importantly, I creep down the hill using both brakes and engine back pressure, the reason I was so uptight about the new Frontier's braking(tomorrow I am adding the upgraded pulley to go along with my replacement Honda handle grip).
The big problem always with the Van II was abruptly jerking back on the sticks which gives you terrific leverage and allowing the engine backpressure to fall down to neutral. That would definitely "stick" one of those machines and flip it downhill. Going uphill my concern has always been too much weight in the rear.
Sidehill is mostly scary for sliding out rather than the argo rolling. I was in somebody's 6 wheel Polaris the other day. Sidehill in that is really scary, rollcage and all. Sidehill in a quad is impossibly dangerous.
I'm sure the 8 wheeler is better, longer wheelbase says it all. When I head up the hill in my 4 wh drive Ford 250 Diesel I guarantee you I never think about flipping or rolling it. |
Frazer RM Ross
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Username: Beeman
Post Number: 14
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 64.56.144.142
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, February 08, 2007 - 03:19 pm: | |
Here's a video of me crashing into a telephone pole in the back alley. Estimated speed - 49kms/h
http://www.4wheeler.ca/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=20497 |
Rogersmith
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Post Number: 216
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 70.234.105.89
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 11:35 am: | |
Sounds interesting, Frazer, but I havn't bothered to register at the site to see it..
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Every so often I type in "argo max 6 8 wheel" etc into a search engine to see what's out there. Saw this in a forum:
In July of 2003 me and 6 others went on a fishing/camping trip in Northwest Ontario. A freind took an 8 wheel Argo. It had removable tracks. One afternoon he and 2 others decided to take it out for a ride. At 9pm we got worried because they didn't return. At 11pm they called on a cell phone and said they were stuck. A track broke and they had 2 flat tires. They were OK but because it was dark they were going to stay at the Argo until daylight at which time they would walk out the couple of miles to the lake.
We picked them up at 7am the following morning and my buddy called around to find a helicopter to come and hoist the Argo back to our base camp. A local timber company had one and charged him $900 an hour.
The helicopter hovered above them while they cabled up to the 1200 pound Argo. It had to circle around to head back to the base camp and when it came back overhead - NO Argo! The J-hook was hooked backwards and the Argo slipped off. It dropped about 400 feet and landed in 4 feet of water. It snapped in half.
This was the second 8 wheel Argo he totaled in 4 months. He had just settled on a prior claim where one tipped over when the ice he was riding on gave way.
Be careful. |
Frazer RM Ross
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Username: Beeman
Post Number: 15
Registered: 04-2005
Posted From: 64.56.144.142
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 02:58 pm: | |
Sorry.. here you go. The footage isn't the greatest, but the sound is pretty funny.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6163992383225200210 |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 217
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 70.234.105.89
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 04:01 pm: | |
I remember that one.. is that the 4 cylinder hot rod? |
david berger
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Username: Davidrrrd
Post Number: 502
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 72.72.32.68
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 05:36 pm: | |
i remember the video but i couldent quite make out the last few words on the audio?
what are they?? |
Rogersmith
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Username: Rogersmith
Post Number: 218
Registered: 01-2005
Posted From: 70.234.105.89
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 06:31 pm: | |
That's Mom/Wife/neighbor lady saying something like "don't you guys have anything better to do..
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momobigfoot
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Username: Momobigfoot
Post Number: 14
Registered: 09-2006
Posted From: 69.148.180.200
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, February 09, 2007 - 09:24 pm: | |
I remember that one too. |
Rob Sandera
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 4.91.135.1
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, February 10, 2007 - 12:23 am: | |
Well I got some stories I rolled a Attex turning around and hit a ditch and was thrown out my brothers ankle almost got busted. We were test driving then told the guy we’ll take it LOL!. My brother had a hopped 55 MPH Attex he had on a snowy lake with a passenger and bounced it on some snowdrifts and did a double flip end over end and kept going. Needless to say the machine was immediately for sale. I rolled a trail boss when I was about 13 at 50 + MPH at the bottom of the hill where I live now. I kept giving it more gas to steer away from the ditch. The road was widened with stumps etc on the side pretty soon it was to the floor with the engine over revved and it went flying though a ditch and turned sideways in the air and I grabbed the handle and pulled myself down in the body. It slid for 200 ft upside down with a tool box thrown another 200 ft. I was trapped under the machine and my friends that owned the campground then heard me coming and ran out to flip it over. I had a scratch on my head where the toolbox zinged by. They said my eyeballs were as big as basketballs. All I wanted to know was if the girl I liked that lived here got to see that and what a wildman I was LOL! I adjusted the trans and drove it home. Now my scramblers when I drive around here I can put to the floor going down hills and they are stable and fun and hit about 35 MPH. My Attex in winter came flying over hill and lost it in a spin and had to spin then and do a controlled crash to avoid being hurt bad. Now I only coast with the foot brake on going slow unless I’m in a scrambler. Scrambler is a very low center of gravity and you sit down in it. But I do want roll bars on all of them. Hills are dangorous. I had visions of that trailboss being a hot melted bag all over me. |
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