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By max4me on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Anybody seen this? They just leased 27,000sf for production and will start marketing in June. Sounds like a pretty cool machine but UGLY!

What are your thoughts?

http://www.extrememachine2000.com/

By JBC on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Check out the "Marsh Master" on EBAY.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6737&item=2414699638

Amphibious, Tracked, and Off Road.

By Mudbug -- David Sanders on Unrecorded Date: Edit

( Max4me )

Well,,as you have posted already,,it sure is "UGLY",,but,,its a vary "capable amphib" from what I have reveiwed on their website.

The number of optional accessories for this "unique" amphib,,are most impressive. I was really impressed with its unique ability to lift each side of its body independantly,,on the left side or the right side,,and, to do this automatically as well.

The "optional" ability to be able to travel for up to 500 miles is very impressive too

This machine though,,is "not" for the majority of people that read this 6x6 forum board.

I,m also very sure,,that the retail "list price" for this amphibious machine, is "sky high"

By Mudbug -- David Sanders on Unrecorded Date: Edit

By max factor on Unrecorded Date: Edit

guess how much for this unit before they announce the price. i say it will start at 20,000

By max4me on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hi David,

In the press release they say the base price is $9500.00. I would like to see what they can do.

I am with you as I like the way each side has the ability to independently move up and down. It seems to be very capable.

I guess like the Max & the SAAB (I have both) the look of the machine either appeals to you, grows on you or it does not.

I look forward to seeing if this ever makes it to market.

By Attex Bob on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Rippers for an electric vehicle?!!!! Give me a break!!!!! Lets just say that I'm very, very skeptical. Let me say that the Hb's the big 3 have are well..........not exactly powerhouses. Small BTU's in = small HP out.

Another problem I see is the different spacing of the wheels. That will cause problems going over logs.

By Attex Bob on Unrecorded Date: Edit

By Alfred Cushman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

And The Winner of The Junk Yard War is
Extreme Machine.

By mike martindale (Wetsu) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

i saw the MARSH MASTER 2 weeks ago. for the price i think it would be 1 hell of a machine.if i had the cash i would bid on it.

By Eugene Kochnieff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I agree with Attex Bob. You dont get somthing for nothing, Even if it used fuel cells instead of a petrol engine as a source of battery charging current and had effiency in the high 80's it sounds too good to be true. And would cost the earth.

I'd be very suspicious if they start asking for investors!!!!!!!!

By max4me on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I am a little suspecious already. I have sent numerous email and they never respond. There is no phone number listed, they ask you to send email requesting it.

I don't think it will ever make it off the ground.

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I just had a look at the extreme machine site- its a joke. I don't think that it is what most of us want, but It is one ugly old beast. I think I am going to barf!

By Eugene Kochnieff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hi All,

I had another look at the extreme machine site and found a specs section now i'm sure it's BS.

They say 2 18 hp electric motors are equvalent to a 90 hp petrol engine. BS!

Also they say there is a 3000 watt generator on board that keeps the battery charged, well folks if you have 36 hp going out you need 36+ hp going in and 3000 watts = 4 hp!!!!!

So More BS.

To charge the battery you would need a 27000 watt generator, actually much more due to losses.

Sorry to say this thing Can't work based on what they say anyhow.

Bye

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

So not only does it looks like bs, it is all bs anyways!

Theres one for the history books, but I guess it has to make production before it and the company can go insanely bankrupt and then go into the history books under useless inventions of the 6x6.

By Attex Bob on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Eugene: Can you give me the formula for Watts/HP. I never knew that one, but always did want to know it. What you say makes perfect sense. That is why a 3kw gen-set has an 8hp motor on it. Thanks for verifying this for me. Another thing thats way off the subject, do you know how much HP the average human can put out? Lets say on a bike?

By Jason Hagerhorst on Unrecorded Date: Edit

746 watts per horsepower, your going to need alot of batteries to make that beast run.

By Alan Meeuwsen (Albo) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Attex Bob,
The formula is Watts = HP x 746 approximately.
Eugene,
I agree with you that they are blowing a lot of smoke the way they state the specs however,although there is no way you could run full out at 36 HP off the generator, you could run off the batteries. the 3000 Watt generator could still charge the batteries while you are stopped however it would take about 9 times as long as it did to run them down. for example if you started out fully charged and ran full out at 36 HP for one hour, then it would take about 9 hours to replace the charge or probably more due to losses. Not nearly as great as they try to make it sound but it might get you home.
If you were running much less than full throttle I could see the generator working as a slight supplement.
I have no idea how they figure that 2 18 HP electric motors is equivalent to a 90 HP petrol engine.

By max4me on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hi Guys,

The contact person would not respond to me after several emails. They don't have a listed phone number and tell you to contact the owner for it but he never responds. They are not listed in any directories in Spokane so it makes you wonder about them.

I decided to send a message to the web designer who had a link and asked flat out if they were a scam and quickly got a reply.

They said that they will be featured in an article in Popular Mechanics in July, that their commercials will start to run nationally(no date) and that their machine is licensed for road use in 44 states.

They are dreaming if they think that they can sell enough of these to make it. Who would want one on the roads? If you got one for off-road it would not be legal to run on most states designated atv trails and their market is so small that the full production of 1 machine every 12 or 15 minutes is ridiculous.

Good luck Extreme Machine.

By Alfred Cushman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

There is a point being overlooked, these "Boys" are advertising their new "Machine" is powered by two, 18hp Permanet Magnet DC Motors,what do you think these Puppies weigh? Read further and their advertised total weight of this "Beast" is 950lbs, now what's wrong with this picture?
Cushman has been a leader in Electric powered Utility Vehicles for years, our largest Motor used is only 4hp, it seems like it weighs a 100 lbs, they are heavy.
I know some of you think I am too hard on new Companys producing Trackster like Vehicles, well I know they will go now where, just like these Guys. You don't see me ripping Argo or Max, they both know what they are doing and have a Marketing Plan that seems to be working.

By Attex Bob on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Ha ha ha. That is what I was thinking Alfred. You have been in this long enough to know what is a junk design and what is not. That 950lbs sounded fishy to me also. 18 hp permanet magnet motors? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......x10
P.S. You got any tracksters you want to trade for an Argo 8X8? Time for a different toy for me!!!!

By Alfred Cushman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I just talked with Mike Smith of Extreme Machines in Seattle[phone no. 360-695-7069], not only are they going to put Max and Argo out of business, but he claims The Marines are going to hand him a multi-million dollar contract for production.
Let's all have a good Weekend.
Alfred

By Howard Hoover on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Attex Bob'
If I'm not mistaken I think the average Human exerts less than 1hp.
I read about it somewhere but can't remember exactly.

By Howard Hoover on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I am not impressed with the machine as of yet but I will give them the benefit of the doubt before I totally put it down they say it will ONLY CLIMB A 30 DEGREE HILL but most of the pictures are on flat ground or in the water and don't even show it climbing a hill. If it has that much power it should be able to climb a tree! and as for width for more stability it might be more stable sideways on a hill but remember some of our machines aren't allowed on trails already because they are supposedly too wide or maybe it's because Max and Argo aren't digging deep enough into their pockets like the Quad companies to satisfy the government or politicians or greenpeace people or who ever I think it's all about politics and thats a shame I also don't like the way almost half of the body sits forward of the front wheels. If I had more time I could probably find more things I don't like about it but we all could be wrong it could be more capable than we think never the less I think it looks like $#%* and regardless of its performance I wouldn't buy one. And if they think they can put Max and Argo out of business they are out of their minds!

By Howard Hoover on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I know why they want to be able to use these things on the road.

To be able to clear all the deep potholes LOL

By Mike Smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I am Mike W. Smith working with the Extreme Machine 2000. I would sure like to say that this is one of the most unfriendly boards I have ever seen or been to. All of the comments made by the person above who calls himself �Alfred Cushman� lied by saying �The Marines are going to hand him a multi-million dollar contract for production.� And �they going to put Max and Argo out of business� - I unequivocally never said such things.

As far as every other statement made on the actual website for the Extreme Machine 2000, is absolute truth. This vehicle does exactly what it claims to do. It is the most revolutionary vehicle that has ever been designed in a 6x6, 8x8, and 10x10 configuration.

I will say in the short amount of time I have been familiarizing and educating myself on the wide variety and history of ATV�s, nothing can compare to the EM2000. To the other people who have tried to look intelligent on this board by stating numbers relating to power plant figures, all I can say is the Internet is full of intellectuals with brains the size of a pea.

The Extreme Machine 2000 is very close to production. It has been a lot of work to get to this point. There are 2 other products currently in the Aberdeen Testing Grounds, and other products in talks with the National Laboratories. The CEO, Dick Ewing, is someone to be respected and revered. It would be courteous to show some respect here.

God Bless

Mike W. Smith
Extreme Machine 2000

By Sam Keys on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Mike Smith:

If you are for real, you would:

1) Give real email address and return messages:
2) Give phone number yourself:
3) Get a machine to Richard Clark for a write up. then we will trust your Dick Ewing

I bet you will not do number three;

I bet you would not respect Richard either, but he is
THE main person in the world in respect to knowledge in
the 6x6 world.

Sam Keys

By unfriendly on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Mr Smith
This may be the "most unfriendly boards I have ever seen or been to"
because you and your company start rummers as fact and have not
come up with any proof.
Sam has an good idea, have Richard Clark do a test on your "new"
machine, if he said it works then we would be convinced.
We have all seen "new" concepts come and go, a flash in the pan.
If your machine is for real, PROVE IT.
Your companys statements (which were given to a person to whom
you were trying to get money, last week) "The marines had diapers on
after seeing our machine" seems stupid to me.
Everyone think about it.......... "The marines had diapers on
after seeing our machine"
Prove to us that we too need diapers

Another unfriendly reader
No Email given like you
No phone given like you

By jbc on Unrecorded Date: Edit

This is the response I got from Mr. Smith.

"The contact information is posted on the website John. What do you mean by �lame excuses�? I don�t know why there is such a negative input on this board, but I guess it only proves that most people on the Internet have the intellectual capabilities compared to that of a jellyfish."

Mike W. Smith
www.extrememachine2000.com

It looks like Mr. Smith should brush up on his PR
abilities.

By Howard Hoover on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Mr. Smith
I'm sorry if my comments above offended you in any way as I am not an unfriendly person I am just giving my opinion based on looks like most of the other people. I call it CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. I would like to build my own machine and I'm going to start building it this summer and if I put it on the web someplace I'm sure I would get a lot of criticism you might as well expect it and appreciate it as it is information you can use to build upon and improve from in my opinion. CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM! I don't know about other sites you've been to but here your machine will definitely be put through the ringer and they are just expressing their thoughts on it as they have already seen things they like and dislike, like myself. If nothing can compare then why do Max and Argo and some other companies claim their machines will climb a 45 degree angle hill and can and yours will only climb a 30 degree I don't know but it sounds like it won't match up in hill climbing abilitys. Maybe people wouldn't be so harsh on your machine if you didn't make all these claims right off the bat. build it up so to speak

By Howard Hoover on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Mr. Smith'
After I thought about it I had to come back and tell you that most of these comments are directed towards your machine and not you.
And for you to say that some of us have brains the size of peas is insulting our intelligence and attacking us personally.
This is not good business sense!
And you say you are working with the machine
in what regards do you have any association with this machine are you a co-owner designer or builder or are you just some Joe Blow backing up this machine with no credentials? I think it's time for you to do some apologizing.

By Attex Bob on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Howard: Thanks for the thought. I thought it was like 3/4 of a HP too. But like you, it's been along time ago since I've heard that figure. Thanks for the conformation.

Mike: As far as being an unfriendly board, I would have to disagree. I think most people on this board are SKEPTICAL type of people. And that goes with ALL machines on here, not just the E.M. I don't like people talking for me so I won't for them. Here is MY thoughts:

I'm a very competitive person and when someone says they have a great product, I say, Cool, lets see what it can do against mine!!! That is called comparative product testing. And that is what any GOOD manufacture will do with their product BEFORE going into production. Has E.M. done this?? If not, in my opinion it's doomed. If so, how did it do against the Max, Argo, Cushman ect, ect?

Many of the people on this board have tons of experience in all different fields. Some have no knowledge of mechanics, but have tons of experience in driving a 6X6. Some have tons of mechanical experience, but have very little time in the seat of a 6X6. If they, like me, are harsh on the E.M. it is because the figures just don't add up.

I may be one of those people on the net with a pea brain, but I do have lots of mechanical design experience. I do know about energy and the transfer there of. Hybreed machines are not meant for power, they were built to be as efficient as possible. The hybreed that Toyota has does not exactly have the power of a dragster!!! That is why some on this board are putting this machine down, they see that the figures don't add up.

My vote is to give one to Brandon, ha ha ha ha, he will tell you how tough and good it is!!!!! Now is your chance to be a product tester Brandon!!!!

If I'm wrong, so be it. But if this thing is better than my Attex, or an Argo, or a Max, prove it, and prove me wrong. Lets have a pull off, a swim contest, a hill climbing contest, and a speed contest and see who makes the best rounded machine.

As the saying goes......"bring it on" and lets see.

Looks like another "creeking" subject!!! he he he

By Alfred Cushman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Well said Sam,I think our Water has been tampered with and making People crazy, to see what I am talking about visit the following;

trackcat.com
wildernessvehicles.com
terratrack.com

The Extreme Maching Rep. did say their 2000 was so great that no other company would be left in production, talk's cheap.
Alfred

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Mike Smith ( If there is a person)

Why would you make a machine based on magnet motors anyways, it all sounds like a big scheme to me. All I can say is that my money is on the ARGO AND RI Side, until we see some proof of what you claim the EM 2000 will do, we'll talk to you later!

Richard Clark, what do you think about all this?

By Mike Longest on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Mike Smith:

I am with Sam Keys, take your machine to Richard Clark
and Route6x6 for testing on his 1800 acres. This should
give your machine a fair test.

I bet you will not........After all Route6x6 would tell the world
about your machine, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly.

I am an testing engineer at major college, your claims sound pretty big to me too.
Would you like to bring it to us for a product review? I could set it
up, if it can be proven you are for real.

Mike Longest

By Roger Smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I bet Mr Smith will never be heard from again.
Him and his big claims, if anything was for
real he would let Route6x6 do a test.

My vote says they are full of hot air, but I could
be wrong as the people of the world do need
a machine which will get 500 miles to three gallons
of gas. (read their website)

Roger Smith no relation Ha Ha

By Jim Stiver - Western PA MAX Dealer (Viper) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Mike Smith,

"You gain respect when you give respect to others"

I have 30 years experience in sales and marketing, (I am the General Manager of a new car franchise and also a Max dealer) and you do not complete sales by bashing the competition.

The greatest sales tools are the product presentation and demonstration.

There is a lot of experience in AATV's lurking on this board and I believe most are probably from Missouri. So, please "SHOW ME" and the others what you've got.

Also bear in mind that different products and different brands, fit different needs.

Jim Stiver

By Alfred Cushman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Just received a very interesting E-Mail from our "buddy" Smith, not only is he threating myself but also members of this Board. Take a look at the following,
www.guned.com
scroll about half way down, you will see the Extreme Machine plea for "special investors needed", what's that mean, more money than brains?
Turns out this Guy is a "Gun Freak" now it's not the gun thing that bothers me, it's this Guy's reference to his Harley/Gun days. Would you choose a character like this for a spoksman for your company?
Enough, my prediction, several will be built, that will be it.
Alfred

By RickMoMoBigfoot on Unrecorded Date: Edit

My input is I'd like to see one out riding sometime like some other 6x6s that we don't see much out there.But I picked the machine that looked best for my needs .And i liked how it looks.It does what all the others do.Maybe it's the driver.he he What ever, I went to the site and looked at the thing and i think it's butt-ugly .Sorry, just not for me.Other Companys wont go under because of others like me will keep them alive. Good luck to yous and i hope to see one out there sometime.But not for me. Rick

By Tom Bennett on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Mr Smith;
Like many hundreds of Route6x6 readers. I have been following
this tread, your comments are what most people dislike, if you
are indeed a representative of the new company, just prove what
you and your website states, then you will prove most of these
people wrong. Otherwise they will be proven correct.
Always remember Route6x6 is read by hundreds if not thousands
of readers, most will never post anything but they will remember
and buy if product is good. So be careful what you put in writing.
Tom Bennett

By Alfred Cushman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Here is a State of Nebraska Web Site that deals with the Testing of Tractors that are for sale in that State, sounds to me like Extreme Machine must comply with these regulations.

www.ianr.unl.edu/pubs/farmpower/g579.htm
Hope this helps,
Alfred

By Roger Smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

There's too many Smiths in this thread, and two Roger Smiths now. I'm the one with the argo response from Tulsa and I didn't make the above posts.

By Howard Hoover on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Even if we are wrong about this machine what kind of man does it take to tell people that they have brains the size of Jellyfish & peas like he has told a lot of people on this site he doesn't sound like the type of person I would want to buy anything from

By Eugene Kochnieff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Albo,

Running off batteries is not a practical option for an amphibious ATV as it would not float.

Any battery system that could drive 2 x 18 hp motors for any usefull amount of time anyhow.

EM2000 make comment of 110V batteries so at 110V 36 Hp will draw 36 x 746 watts/110 = 244 amps!!!!! 10 typical car batteries wired in series to give approx 110V would last about 15 minutes under this load. very much less in reality as there are huge losses in this sort of setup.

What do 10 car batteries weigh at 20Kg each 200 Kg or approx 440 lbs That's almost half of the stated weight of 950 lbs, not counting the motors, body, drive components, wheels etc etc.

Now assume they use super high tech battery technology ( super expensive also) lets say 10 times more energy per unit weight we then get a vehicle that weighs as above and goes for 10 x 15 minutes still pathetic or we get a vehicle that goes for 15 minutes and might actually be 950lbs. Still Pathetic!!!!!

It just does not add up!!!!!!!!!

By Eugene Kochnieff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Attex Bob,

1hp = 746 watts. it is based on the ability of a pit pony ( horse) to lift ore out of a mine.

Now the hp of a human i dont know but i will give you a guess based on the following reasoning.

Lets assume A horse develops, 1 hp this is a continuous output and a horse can output several Hp for a short period of time. Assuming equal aerobic fittness the output of a horse and a man should be a ratio of weight so a man could output between 1/10 and 1/3 hp continuously like a marathon runner, or over 1hp for a short period like a weight lifter.If a weight lifter lifts 250 Kg ( 550lbs )2 metres in 5 seconds he outputs 1000 watts = 1.3 Hp.

The formula is energy = MASS x HEIGHT x GRAVITY
work in Watts = energy/ time

so 250kg x 2m x 10/5seconds=1000 watts

I use 10 for G to make the math easier to follow.
My appologies to the non metric.

1000watts/746 watts per horspower= 1.3 Hp

I take exception to the unfrendly forum coments from mike smith, i have found this place to be one of informed opinion and reasoned argument, rarely hostile and always entertaining.

Intellectual bashing is the last resort of those who can't handle the facts. I am an electronics technical officer by training with interests in mechanics; hardly an intellectual!

What i write can be found in any basic physics text.

If EM2000 wants to run with the big dogs it should not piss with the pups.

Basically put up or shut up!!!!!!!

By Eugene Kochnieff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

More on batteries etc,

After another amusing look at EM2000, I found a section on their battery set up; well a section we can analyse anyhow.

They state "110 volt Battery Charger. Will charge about 80% down in about 5 hours at home"

From this we can calculate the battery capacity.

If 80% = 5 hours then 100%= 6.25 hours.

Given a 110v battery and a 3000 watt generator this translates to 6.25 x 3000 = 17975 watt hours.

At 110v this eqauls 17975/110 = 163 ampere hours.

At 36 hp this battery will run the EM2000 for 0.67 hours = an impressive 40 minutes!!!!!!!

It still does not add up!!!!!!

By John on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Interesting!!

Tuesday, January 7, 2003

Amphibious vehicle maker wants cities to bid for its new plant.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/103041_extreme07.shtml

I couldn't find any more news after Jan. 7, 2003.

By Eugene Kochnieff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hi all,

I had a quick look on the us patents site, did a search and could find nothing on the EM2000.

No Patents or trademarks. I only did a basic search however.

More food for thought

See Ya

By Gen.Alfred Cushman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

WOW, big news, this time I have taken the time to Post Hot Links.
I know this is Richard's Board, I will respect his wishes concerning "bashing", go to the following and you be the Judge.

www.guned.com

www.mikewsmith.com
Take your time looking,this adds a new dimension to "Extreme"
Alfred

By Gen.Alfred Cushman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

By Alfred Cushman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Alfred again, here's some more Hot Links to new, as only one or two have been built of each product to date, these Guy's sound the same as Extreme Machine in their statements.

www.terratrack.com

www.wildernessvehicles.com

www.trakcat.com
General Alfred Cushman

By john on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Found an update.

Thursday, May 8, 2003

Business

Off-road vehicle company rolling into area

Extreme Machine 2000 Inc.
The Extreme Machine has leased space in the Spokane Industrial Park to assemble its environmentally friendly off-road vehicle.
Tom Sowa - Staff writer

A startup company that has designed an environmentally friendly off-road vehicle will set up shop in Spokane Valley and expects to create 140 manufacturing jobs by the end of the year.

The company, Extreme Machine 2000 Inc., has leased 28,000 square feet of space in the Spokane Industrial Park, said company CEO Dick Ewing.

Starting in June, the company plans to assemble the six-wheeled amphibious vehicles and sell them across the country, Ewing said.

The vehicle will retail for about $9,500.

According to company press releases, the vehicle will come in two models -- one using only electric power, and another using a hybrid gas-electric motor.

Because of its design, the new vehicle produces almost no pollutants and gets extremely high mileage, Ewing said.

It's capable of maneuvering on solid ground or in water. "We've tested it in 7-foot waves in the Puget Sound and it did fine," Ewing said.

Based on research, Ewing said, the company believes there is a market to produce 30,000 of the amphibious vehicles a year. Buyers would include outdoor enthusiasts, the military, law enforcement agencies, resorts, state governments and outfitters, he said.

To produce that number, Ewing said Extreme Machine will have to hire 140 workers in the Spokane area by the end of the year.

Most of the new jobs will be in assembly. Extreme Machine will use area contract manufacturers to make chassis, wiring and other components. Those parts will then be shipped to the Spokane area for assembly.

Ewing said those assembly jobs will pay "above what the standard is" in the region, but he said he didn't know what that rate is. The average pay in the region for manufacturing jobs is between $7.50 and $9 an hour.

The company will also be looking for computer technicians, machinists and office support positions.

Ewing's announcement on Wednesday was a welcome change from the steady stream of negative news from area manufacturers who have eliminated workers.

"We are pleased that Extreme Machine 2000 Inc. has chosen Spokane, and we welcome them to the community," said Mark Turner, president of the Spokane Area Economic Development Council.

"We look forward to the quality jobs this company will provide for the residents in this region."

Ewing said the Spokane EDC staff "are the sharpest people of their kind we met anywhere." He said the EDC's help and assistance were critical in helping him decide to locate the company in Spokane.

Ewing and several associates spent more than five years developing the off-road vehicle. Ewing, who lives in Leavenworth, worked for Boeing for 10 years.

Business writer Tom Sowa can be reached at (509) 459-5492 or at toms@spokesman.com.

From the "Spokesman-Review.com".

By John on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Another article:

http://www.spokaneedc.org./news/Press/PR.php?n=170

It looks like they are making it happen????

By John on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Response from Todd Bishop.

John, we ran a follow-up to that story as an item in our May 12 "Insider" column. I just looked at the item online and realized that some of the text there is missing, so here's a copy from my notes, essentially as it appeared in the paper.
Regards,

Todd Bishop
Business Reporter
Seattle Post-Intelligencer
101 Elliott Ave. W.
Seattle, WA 98119
(206)448-8221 work
(206)300-0265 cell
toddbishop@seattlepi.com

WE HAVE A WINNER: The Spokane area emerged victorious last week in an unusual contest staged by a manufacturer of amphibious vehicles. The grand prize: 140 jobs.

Extreme Machine 2000 Inc., based in Leavenworth, had issued a news release in January inviting communities in the Northwest to compete for its planned assembly plant with whatever incentives they could muster. About 120 cities submitted materials, but very few of them offered any real economic enticements, said Extreme Machine CEO Dick Ewing.

One exception, he said, was a city in New Mexico that offered to build the company a structure and extend a rail spur inside it. Tempting as that was, the wives of Extreme Machine's principals didn't want to move to New Mexico.

Communities in the Puget Sound region showed relatively little interest, Ewing said. Most of the inquiries from the region came from commercial real estate brokers.

In contrast, the Spokane Area Economic Development Council was "a quantum leap above anybody else we ran into," he said. The council brought together bankers, a property owner and others to help attract the company with incentives, including reduced lease rates for a 28,000-square-foot manufacturing facility at the Spokane Industrial Park.

Production at the plant is expected to begin next month. The number of jobs is fewer than previously expected because some of the work will be contracted out. The company's all-terrain, amphibious vehicles will retail for $9,500, about $1,000 more than previously expected. For more information: www.extrememachine2000.com.

By Alfred Cushman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Alfred here, The Extreme Machine thing is a con, it will never happen according to my sources.

By Preston on Unrecorded Date: Edit

6x6ers

Roger was correct, Mr Smith has not been heard from
since last wekend. I gues we were correct his Extreme
2000 thingy is just dead turkey

I agree this whole thing is a con jog. I bet the state
of WA will never get job one.

Where are you Mr Smith? Ha HA!

Preston Albertson

By Attex Bob on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Lets do some more math.

$15,000,000(their annual payroll figures)divided by 200(their estimated employee pool)= $75,000!!!
Holy Cow!!!!!! Where do I sign up!!!! 75K average for every employee!!!!!!

Hmmmmm wait a minute?? In the second press release it said the average line employee would make over the average wage for a line employee?

"Ewing said those assembly jobs will pay "above what the standard is" in the region, but he said he didn't know what that rate is. The average pay in the region for manufacturing jobs is between $7.50 and $9 an hour"

AAAAA........ how does one know what the payroll will be if you don't know what wage your going to pay your workers?

I guess they are being really generous and are going to pay the average employee 4 to 5 times the average wage for the region!!!

What a generous company!!!! Ha ha ha ha......

Can I have my check in advance BEFORE I put in a weeks work????

By Mike Smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I�m here - Mike W. Smith.
If you people will be civil, I will answer your questions as long as time will allow it. Although, I will not participate in a contentious atmosphere. We have been very busy aligning all the necessary components to achieve our goals. As a business owner, I fully understand what it takes to get a product to market.

In helping to bring the Extreme Machine 2000 to production, I have played a major part in the acquisitions of government participation, investments, dealerships, and manufacturing. As per �Alfred Cushman� aka Fred Mayer, on this thread, his foul statements in e-mail communication and postings on his website: http://cushmannet.com/discus/index.html , under CNN- Cushman News Network/ Alfred Reports, have made for very unsavory communication indeed.

I am the President of a firearms rights organization that encompasses 17 states, and the owner of a consulting company. If anyone wishes my personal BIO, I would be happy to produce it. I am also a former candidate for Washington State Congress. I am currently a Lieutenant Colonel in the United States National Defense Force Support Command.

Mike W. Smith
www.extrememachine2000.com
www.guned.com
www.siteapproved.com

By General alfred Cushman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Alfred here, I told you this thing is NUTS.

By Fred on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Well, "Uncle Adolf" has spoken.

By david berger (Davidrrrd) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

ok mike but what realy matters too most here is true live expireance, kick the tires expireance,
we want too see it in action and not on comertials, we want you too send an example too one of our events, too ride along side the owner operators of the so called infireor machines,
show up and show off, show the other machines up!
or at least show your for real and your tryin,
you can look arround here some place on another thred where some other manufacturers have expireanced pritty much the same stuff, it at least drew them to show there stuff in 1 case, wich im shur has helped there sales, who wants to be the first victome, but after the manufacturers began particapating some, and also geting there satesfyed customers to particepate (in 1 case)
they began to be exepted as for real, the othere case is unresolved however, probly there machine will fade away, as there must not be any satesfyd customers, save the one,only one land tamer seams to have ever bin sold as far as we can tell, never shown at any events ether, but the hydrotrax people seam content with there vehicles, and yes we have sean them in action at events,
so why not send one quick to the badlands or hasbin aker rides, theres one comeing up soon and it'l go a long way twords shoreing up your integrity, ~so to speek~
in fact theres a 99.9% chance that it will be in an event video anyone on here can buy and juge for themselves!
heven knowes id like too put one threw it's paces myself and report on it, but im on the east coast and will likely never see one in my life

By david berger (Davidrrrd) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

attex bob, payroll also includs some folks who aint line workers, maybe thems the folks who will make the $75,000.00salery heh heh heh

By Sam Keys on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Mr. Smith:

OK: I and many hundreds of other people will be convinced
and would consider buying your machine, if our Richard Clark
said it was good. As people have asked before, get a demo
machine to Richard Clark owner of this website that you are using

Sam Keys

By Bigkodiak on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Berger
I agree and I was thinking the exact same thing at work today. Bring it to Hespin Acres, Bring it to NY....What the hell it's a business expense. Let US look at it, pick it apart or praise it.
And Dave, don't give me this crap you're on the East coast, I have seen you go pretty far for a ride.

Mr. Smith
The only way to make us beleive it, is to show us. You never know maybe you could get some positive feedback, maybe some criticism that you could improve your machine, maybe an endorsement, and how would you feel if people liked it so much that maybe you pre-sold 1 or 2.
Bring it OUT. Lets PLAY head to head, and to the victor goes the spoils.
NO BS just flat out fun.
Russ

By mark harding (Promoza) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

i have 1 question why do the wheels look like there toed in at the top when looking at it from the rear ??????

By George Thompson on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hey guys, after reading all of this, I am convinced Extreme Machine hasn't a clue about Product Liability Insurance.

By wwetsu on Unrecorded Date: Edit

roger,
i knew that,wasn't you.but i think you do need a new handle...maybe you should go by joe smith,or roger jones ba haha.or maybe rescue8x8.
as far as the rest of you...including mr.smith. i went to the original extreme,website.and was pretty shocked by the looks of this machine ( wether it be mythical,or real). and i did not go into any deeper research of it. because i was immediatly turned of by the looks of the boat with wheels.
ok i am the guy with the brain cell of the jellyfish,but i know what i like.....and it ain't the extreme machine.take off the wheels and put a 75 horse merc outboard on it...and i might be interested. since i do like that tri-hull body.
what i can't understand,is i'm fromm the same state as MR.SMITH and i have never heard of his machine,or him for that matter.now bear in mind mike smith,i can't dog a guy that enjoys firearms,but as an avid gun owner,sportsman,and aatv'er....i have never heard of you,or your firearms rights orginization.( which if you were 1 of the many who sent me letters looking for money to fund your orginization,)i threw your letters in the trash.
i am not here to bash you or your machine.but if you are from leavenworth,i live in wyandotte,county ks.and i would like to ride with you,and i would give you my HONEST opinion of your machine.and i would be more than happy to pass this on to my fellow AATV'ERS. on this post. if you are not upto riding....i would at least like to see it up close-and personal.because i believe in giving every man his due.and i do not judge a book by it's cover.which is why i bought my ARGO bigfoot.
and in defense of the extreme machine.....ODG,recomends that you should never climb a hill that exceeds a 30 degree angle.( even though we all have).
so wadda you say mr. smith...you wanna play?

By bigkodiak on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Promoza
I was looking at the website last night and I agree with you. In one photo it almosty looks as though the tires couldn't be attached in the alignment that they are in (the camo shot). The picture from the rear going down the street the tires look really out of alignment as if they machine weighed too much.
Now one other observation. The machine is cleared to drive on the road in 44 states but will only travel at a speed of 20-25 mph. Lets evaluate this....You want me to drive a machine over 7 feet wide, to work, on a road and only do 20 mph?
I still think something is rotten here, but will reserve judgement until I can make a final decision.
Russ

By Eugene Kochnieff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Mike Smith,

How about some real specs we can analyse.

And some real details of the workings. I mean how is the drive delivered to each of the wheels??? There appers to be no drive or wheel motors visible in any of the photos.

I had a look at the video on the updated site.
It looks for all the world like it is rear wheel drive. Look really closely as it enters the water only the rear tyres are spining on the mud.
Also look at the rancher scene only the rear tyres are turning up dust. Also look at the video overall most scenes the thing is going down hill even the scenes where it is on the flat it appears to be the camera angle that gives it this look. Also look closely at the photos, one on the sand shows the rear tyres to be ribbed sand grip paddle tyres. Also the last scene in the video shows smaller rear wheels and tyres on the sand just before it enters the water.

Also the unlimited climing ability "with special kit" claim what does that mean "unlimited" Are you trying to say it can go up a vertical wall????

Maybe the em2000 can defy gravity, it may as well as it seems to break all the other rules of nature.

Try again mate your site casts more doubt on this machine!!!!!!

By Eugene Kochnieff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I had a look at the Evercell site, they are the manufacturer of the batteries in the EM2000 as per the EM2000 site.

These seem to be great batteries but lets look at them in the context of the em2000.

The evercells have an energy density of 50-60 watt hours per kilogram. So to get 2 18 hp motors to run for 1 hour you would need 2x18x746/55= 488 Kilograms of batteries thats 1074 lbs folks so the battery for 1 hour of full output weighs more that the whole vehicle!!!!

Thats right it's probably bulit out of upsidaizium the anti gravity metal. Ha Ha Ha.

It still does not add up!!!!!!!!

By John Smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

The Owner/Editor of The Leavenworth Echo,the local newspaper, has no knowledge of Extreme Machine,Smith or Dick Ewing.

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Mr. SMith. I am not one to comment as it takes the look of the machine to turn me off, but if the "extreme machine" that you say is to be is real, and it is functional, than their is no reason to not give the machine an honest opinion. However, it has to meet the needs of the people in that particular market. If it doesn't than your product won't sell. ARGO and MAX have established their place in the marketplace and for the conditions and terrain they are designed for, and the people that require a vehicle for this use rely on these machines. However, if it doesn't meet the needs of the customer (on a broader market) (not just army and forces) than it won't have a chance to sell like other companies have. Hydrotraxx is another company that is starting to establish itself in the market. Others can do the same, but their actually has to be a vehicle to produce. No offense, but we havn't seen a sign of the real thing, and nobody will really believe that their is an "extreme machine"

As many others have stated, send it to Richard Clark and others who can throughly test the machine, and give it a fair and honest test and post the pros and cons. For all we know it could be better than ARGO OR MAX. However, proof is a must and I think that if you sent out a machine for testing, you will find that the users of this board will be much more pliable ( for lack of a better word)(they will be easier going on you and your product)

By Mike Smith Jr. on Unrecorded Date: Edit

We have changed our Web site to confuse you People even more.

By mark harding (Promoza) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

i do know you can get stickers to be one second dairy roads (AKA old horse trails) if i recall isn't there a certain speed that must be maintained by so call vehicle to be driven on streets???? i do know of the HP rateing any way it's so darn ugly i would rather be driving an old amc pacer

By Attex Bob on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Eugene I was thinking the same thing as you. I was trying to figure out how they get the power to all the wheels. There is only a few ways to do this.

1. Chain drive.
2. Shaft drive.
3. Juice drive.
4. Electric power.

Can't be #4 because they only have 2 electric motors. They need to split the power.

Can't be #3 because they mention nothing about hydro.

Could be #2 but I doubt it. Eats WAY to much power and you would need at least two gear boxes per wheel!!!!

My vote is for #1.

Eeekkkksssss, imagine that thing in a mud pit or in the sand if this were true!!!!

But I can't count Eugene out on this one. Could be only a 2x6. But look on the vid. Sure looks like all wheels are turning when he enter the lake? But when on the grass it looks like only the back two are spinning. I don't get the small tire deal in the rear either. Among other things, smaller tire = more power. If Eugene is right about the 2x6 deal, this would make sense.

Eugene: Thanks for the math on the electro end of things. I'm sure your right on the money or very close.

My Attex can go straight up. The "special kit" I have on it that can make it do this is called a "super winch" He he he he he he

Mark: I saw the camber thing also. Could be many things. The two that come to my mind are A. It's an optical illusion. Or B. There is slop in the pivot pin. Unless I saw one in person it's hard to say what is going on.

Mike: I hope you don't mind if I test drive one before I lay down the cash.

By Leonard Smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Could it be, "Rodent Drive", 12 Rats inside each tire,chasing a Carrot Stick,which in turn is connected to the Joy Stick for steering?

By Howard Hoover on Unrecorded Date: Edit

On a max 2, 4, or Buffalo could you place the fuel tank down lower in the body or do the carbs kind of rely on a gravity feed? and how would this effect performance?

By Marc Stobinski (Jerseybigfoot) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

They have a video up and it looks like it runs the way they say.

By mike martindale (Wetsu) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

has any one else recieved a questionaire from extreme machines? i tried to open it and there is nothing there.then i tried to reply and it won't go. i just wanted to know what it was.
mike/wetsu

By Alfred Cushman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Can you open their video? I can't
Alfred

By david berger (Davidrrrd) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

i hoped you scanned it for virouses first!

By bigkodiak on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Wetsu
I hate to tell you but I am willing to bet you got the virus I just wiped this machine out for.
I got an email from Brandon Price and accidentally double clicked on the attachements and BAM...instant infection. The virus is a worm virus that will continually send e-mails to your contact list and your machine perfomance will get really bad.
Remember I am a professional so I do take precautions for just such BS.
Russ

By mike martindale (Wetsu) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

yes russ,and david i did scan.my puter is set up so that almost all email is scanned with norton,and mcafee.i couldn't open it so i delleted and emptied.but thanks for the warning none the less.i thought maybe he wanted to come out and play.eh eh ehhhh.but i guess not.my only proffesion is driving,6wheelin,and playing on the computer are just for west,and wewaxation.

By John Hamilton on Unrecorded Date: Edit

It seems to me you guys are just afraid that this new machine just might in reality be better than the ones both ODG and RI sell.I'm looking forward to "more competition" in the AATV market place.Give them the benifit of the doubt as the machine will have to prove itself and just maybe...maybe it will get noticed which in turn means ALL 6x6,8x8 and other multi-wheeled amphibs will also as none of the MAJOR motorcycle/atv companies haven't released anything that fits in this category.Time will tell but I'll give them my respect and support because...you just never know what the future may hold.

By Cliff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Russ:

I too got a virus from Brandon Price, I would suggest
no one open any thing My Price sends you.

Cliff

By Mike Longest on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Notice how Mt Smith is not coming
through with a demo?

Guess we were right about machine.
Lets call if The "Sham machine 2000"

Mike Longest

By mike martindale (Wetsu) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

mr.hamilton,just for the record,I ain't skeered of the big boogermachine.i'm sure there are better vehicles out there.but the owners,or the manufacturers,are not afraid to put them to the test.i have read a lot of things on this thread,and on this post from people a whole lot smarter than me.and it seems to me from what i have read,that this machine has as good a chance putting odg,and ri out of business as i do walking on the sun.
if this machine is as good as the manufactures,or you think it is....then where are they? i believe in giving a man his due,but i also believe in put up,or shut up!

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Oh Crap--I just opened his e-mail he sent me--Is that bad?

By Missouri's Max Dealer (Brandon_price) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Cliff, I'm not sure of the name of the virus, but there is a popular one going around the net that simply attaches a name from your mail to itself. That makes you think someone that you know sent a file and you open it. I have received these many times. It is not really from me.

By Missouri's Max Dealer (Brandon_price) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

David, I sent you an email in response to the pics you sent me. It is from me and doesn't have a virus. A virus email will often contain a subject line or message that doesn't make any sense. Your computer will only get a virus if you open an infected attachment, not by just reading an email.

By John Hamilton on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hey, I hear ya!! It seems that Mike guy has shut up...but it is only because of the negative comments being posted.There is only two problems I can see with this machine.One being that the nose is WAAAAAAYYYYY to far infront of..the front wheels and the second being the rear set of wheels(I mean tires also!) being of a different size than the others.Then again who am I to complain because if it works,it just works.

From what I have seen so far with this vehicle,IF and that is a BIG IF,it makes it into production and has good marketing there will be alot of people buying it.I have my doubts also but I give them the benifit of it because who are you and I to decide what other people want.Mike,perhaps you might not be walking on the sun and I don't think that is going to happen let alone be the intent of this company.Still....you got your ultra super fire/heat retardent sun walking suit in your garage?Who knows we may both need to use them!!LOL!!

Still specs alone are nothing EXTREME when compared to either an ARGO or MAX.They are ULTRA EXTREME from what I can tell and a little bit overboard as in OVERKILL from what I have seen from a running vehicle on their website.If none of you guys don't like them then just buy one and ...well,give it to me.I want the jet drive option so don't leave it off.Also the climbing kit and camper for two.HAHAHAHA!!!Something like that would be nice if it did REALLY come out and I'm sure people would buy them even if they are pretty dam ugly.Hey,show me a MAX or ARGO that looks as good as a PREDATOR.You won't because none of them are great in the looks department...it is what it can do that counts.My money would be on the HYDROTRAXX if they would adopt a HDPE body in a heartbeat!!!Still,let's just hope this is the sign of things to come......a BIG revival of the AATV!!!I wouldn't expect much from any of these "newcomers" but atleast they seem to be trying and that is what counts in my book.Maybe the ATTEX will be next...who knows.

By mike martindale (Wetsu) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

sorry john i sent my ultra super fire/heat retardent,sun walking suit to the cleaners.baa ha ha.this may sound like i'm giving up to soon,or being redundant.....but,i would like to seeee,any and all new 6/8wheelers to enter the market.i think odg,and ri need a little competition(ok maybe alot).if for no other reason,maybe...just maybe it would force them to rethink the pricing/or even the marketing strategy.i could be way wrong in my thinking here,both are good machines.i also happen to like the hydro-traxx.when i get my next machine,i will take a very long and close look at it.before i bought my argo,i did look at the maxes first,since they were more available.at the time there were 5 dealers in my area.and only 1 argo dealer.
i got the bigfoot(you max guy's don't take this the wrong way)because for the price i got more room,bigger tires,and motor,and it just looked better than the maxII.but price was the deciding factor.now then,if max,argo,hydro-traxx,and huh,huh.extreme machine,were all on a lot....i would not even give E.M.a second look,unless...i found it to be affordable.then maybe,just maybe i would look at it again.but for now....no sale

By Eugene Kochnieff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hi All,

Seems like all quiet on the EM2000 front.

How about this for an aatv drive arraignment
for each side get 3 worm drive gear boxes a ratio of say 20:1 the trick is to have them on a common input shaft. This will provide locked 3 wheel drive to each side. Now drive the two shafts via two clutches. True six wheel drive!

Benefits 1) no brakes needed worm gearboxes of sufficient ratio cannot be driven backwards.so as you back of the throtle the machine slows down. release a clutch and all the power goes to the other side with no loss in brakes.
2) can be fully sealed and inside the hull.

Problems 1) cannot be towed if not running. see 1 above.

2) may be heavier than coventional transmission, depends on the weight of 6 suitable worm drives.
3) it may not be possible to get a small high torque worm drive.

Worth a thought though.

bye for now.

By mr. tinker on Unrecorded Date: Edit

anybody thought of trying timing belts and pulleys to replace the chain and sprockets. like motorcycles have belt drives instead of chains. would be much lighter and longer life with no maintenence.

By Howard Hoover on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Yes some of us have.
Go to keyword and search
belt drives and you can read the posts.

By Attex Bob on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Well I just had to go here again!!!! It's been a few months now; how many of these things have you produced? I see Max and Argo is still in business. I guess it will take a bit longer to put them out of business!!!! Has anyone heard anything? Alfred?

By JBC on Unrecorded Date: Edit

This is an E-Mail I received from Mr. Todd Bishop, a reporter for the Seattle Post-Intelligencer on 08/22/2003.

"Mr. JBC,
Sorry for not responding sooner. I remember speaking on the phone with you some months back, and I remember your suspicions. On more reflection, I started to share your suspicions. I just called Dick Ewing, and he said production is scheduled to start in a week to two weeks. They've now occupied the building, he says.

Have you looked into this any further?
Todd"

The following is an E-Mail I received from Jon M. Gruett with Extreme Machine on 08/26/2003.

"John,

Thanks for your reply.

If you ordered one now with desired accessories, it would be approximately 6 weeks to ship your vehicle. If you choose to wait it will be longer, probably in the 8-10 week time frame. Within a few days we will be able to take the transaction on-line through our secure server. If you want to place the order before then, please call Mr. Dick Ewing at 509-548-7274 and he can take your credit card information over the phone.

If I can be of further assistance then please call me at the number below.

Jon M. Gruett
503-819-7954 cell"

By Steve on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I bet they will take your credit card too.

Steve Pinstone

By Attex Bob on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Jbc: Did you give them your credit card # yet? He he he he he. Brandon why don't you give them your card # and get one to test? Well, I guess I will wait for the 04 model before I get one!!!

Thanks for the update JBC.

Anyone else know anything?

By JBC on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I'm going to wait for Brandon's report before I give them my card number.

By Eugene Kochnieff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hi All,

Well the extrememachine2000.com page is gone

I guess the page outlasted the EM2000.

Not at all suprised.

I wonder how long before Mr Ewing turns up somewhere else selling snake oil.

By mr. tinker on Unrecorded Date: Edit

the webpage is still there.

By bigkodiak on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I was thinking about theses guys the other day myself.
I still say it's so ugly only a mother could love it.
Russ

By Eugene Kochnieff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I stand corrected the site is still there! Would not load the other day though.

The statements on the page still don't stand up to close inspection.

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I got a very interesting call from someone at Extreme machine today on my cell phone. The strange part is, I don't ever remember giving my cell number to anyone from these boards and/or other companies (other than ARGO). The guy wants to discuss the machine, my thoughts and he wants to bring me up to speed on the latest stuff related to the extreme machine. DOES THIS NOT SOUND JUST A LITTLE WIERD??

SHould I call him back or just leave it?

By Eugene Kochnieff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Just leave it.

In fact dont touch it with a tenfoot pole.

By liflod (Liflod) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I would call him back and set up a demo ride. That way you could give us all some feedback on this new machine.

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Liflod, only problem, im in ontario, canada, and I don't want to travel. I am a college student and it would be tough to arrange all this.

I will call him back and let you all know what the outcome is.

By JBC on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Now is your chance to get in on the ground floor.
Extreme Machine is looking for private investors on DEAL FLOW's website dated Sept. 16, 2003.
http://www.dealflow.com/PrivateInvestor/VentureDetail.cfm?vid=%24%2E%3E%2F%23%5D%20%2D%20%0A

By Attex Bob on Unrecorded Date: Edit

"We have shown this vehicle to well over 500 people and 98% have said that they would buy one."

Looks like I'm in the 2 percentile. He he he he he he.

By JBC on Unrecorded Date: Edit

In checking my post dated Sept. 8, 03, Jon M. Gruett stated that it would be approximately 6 weeks to ship my vehicle.
In checking my post dated Sept. 20, 03 to make sure the link worked and reading the proposal again, I wonder how they could have kept that commitment when they write the following?

"Reasons for Success
We are in critical need of immediate funding to jump start the manufacturing process."

Some thing is wrong here. Maybe we will hear from Mr. Mike W. Smith again.

By JBC on Unrecorded Date: Edit

The follwing is a quote from a press release dated May 07, 03 in the Spokane Area Economic Development Council:
"Extreme Machine 2000 Inc., a manufacturer of the world�s first and only true, all-terrain amphibious vehicle, has signed a lease to setup operations in a 28,000 sq. ft. space at the Spokane Industrial Park, and will begin production sometime in June."
http://www.spokanedc.org/news/Press/PR.php?n=170

But in their offer on "DEALFLOW" dated Sept. 16, 03:
"We will be an assembly facility only when we build our manufacturing plant."

We have somewhat of a contradiction here. Something is still wrong.

By Howard Hoover on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Also on Deal Flow I like where it says
Reasons for success they wrote
We are in need of immediate funding to jumpstart the manufacturing process.

And they have changed the hill climbing ability
from 30 to 40 degrees but I still haven't seen a
picture of it climbing a hill!!! all the pictures
they have on the site just shows it on flat ground or in water.
I don't think I would send any prepayments for a machine if anyone is thinking about it they could still close up shop before they even get started take your money and you'll never see anything!

By JBC on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Update:

Dear Sir: Extreme Machine has set up operations but I do not believe they have begun mass production of the machine as yet. As is the case with most small start- up company�s the availability of funds to start operations is a difficult hurdle to overcome. I do know that they have produced one machine & believe even on limited funds they could produce another, but you will need to decide for yourself as to making a deposit. While I cannot fully endorse the current viability of the company at this time, I can tell you that I have met with the owners on several occasions and in my opinion they appear to be honest and forthright people.

Stan Key

Manager Job Development

Spokane Area Economic Development Council

801 W. Riverside � Suite 302

Spokane, WA 99201

(509) 742-9353

(509) 624-3759 - Fax

http://www.spokaneedc.org

By bigkodiak on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Doesn't common sense say "Why build a plant if we can't afford to build a machine once the plant is in place".
What a joke, it seems this company is starting in the middle with no viable product to produce. I wonder how many employees they are paying to stand around with their thumb up their @$$.
Russ

By Howard Hoover on Unrecorded Date: Edit

When I went to HAZELWOOD just outside of Indpls. where they build the Hydro Traxx they just have a small shop actually it's a custom auto body shop
that was probably already in existance and it's
probably under 10,000 square feet and most of it
looks like it is used for the auto body part of the operation so you really don't need that big of a shop to get started making machines!
It seems to me that Extreme Machine is trying to
start out too big.

By JBC on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Just checked http://www.dealflow.com/PrivateInvestor/VentureDetail.cfm?vid=%24.%3E%2F%23%5D%20-%20%0A
and read the following.

"We anticipate building up to several thousand of the units the first year of actual assembly if the sales efforts match the marketing studies that we have had performed."

Didn't this site say a while back that they were going to produce 9,900 the first year? Am I dreaming? Did anyone else see this?

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

It is not my intention to bash the Extreme Machine 2000 but I would like to hear some opinions about this statement from the website that JBC posted on Friday October 3, 2003.
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The customer needs a vehicle that has multiple purposes, is capable of holding 2-4 people, and cargo and is truly ALL terrain. Additionally, they want a vehicle that is quiet, amphibious, electric with no adverse environmental impact and can be used as a commuting vehicle. We have shown this vehicle to well over 500 people and 98% have said that they would buy one. The typical customer wants versatility, and ability to hold their family to go anywhere, on any terrain and not disturb the wildlife when they go.
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We have shown this vehicle to well over 500 people and 98% have said that they would buy one.

When you read this statement, what do you think. Personally, I thought- okay, great out of 500 odd people, 98% said they would buy but on what basis?? Where they given a price range? Is their a decent gaurantee that if they do buy a machine they will be able to go back to the manufactors for service and any additional help they need?

I think that (and let me tell you, Im no expert or even qualified to give business facts or sound opinions but--)a major hurtle that any new company or corporation faces when or while trying to get their product off the ground is that their must be 1) demand for the product which they say their is (i am not doubting their is demand) 2) adequate facilities to at least get the product off the ground and be able to work or be used for a while until the company sees enough profit to expand 3)their has to be a steady rate of profit or at least break even or their going nowhere. IF they invest whatever amount into getting things going (from the very first stage of planning and all the things that are required) you need to make that money back. No sales, no profit. However, a sufficient amount has to be sold to make enough money to continue production and you don't want to mass produce because you aren't guaranteed that their will be the lasting market for it like a car manufactor would do. (people will continue to buy cars for at least 10 years (who knows, we may all just get Scotty to beam us there-hehehe)) and therefore, they continue to produce. I don't know how RI works but ODG, they have gone from producing drive components back from the get go and they developed a reputation for that- then they expanded to meet the demands for 6 wheelers back in the 70's and they offer various upgrades, incentives for people to buy and they offer support (in most cases at least) their are dealers available that can help etc. etc. With extreme machine, they are saying that they need people to commit to running as dealers to get the product out into the open, all that costs $$ which isn't there until sales start to happen, and if the product isn't good enough for the standards which are set buy the group who is demanding the product, they won't continue to buy and they go down like all those other companies that went under in the late 70's. ODG and RI have obviously been able to stay in business and each company is able to keep going for now as long as their is a demand for the product. People buy MAX for whatever reason, say, more affordable than an ARGO but they do pretty much the same thing (MORE OR LESS- THIS IS NOT OPEN FOR DEBATE OR FOR BIAS OPINIONS TO SAY OTHERWISE!!!) and they meet certain standards set out buy buyers.

My point in all this mess is that if you don't have the market established quickly, your not going to sell your product. They anticipate (building) up to several thousand of the units in the first year of assembly - if sales efforts match the marketing studies that were performed. However, does this mean that they also plan on selling these several thousand units in a reasonable time.

I guess my point is that if they don't meet the demands and have a solid product, they are going to end up like those other companies in the 70's. I think its entirly possible, but personally, i think they may be dreaming just a little too large to start with. Some of the more well known companies started off small and grew over time and did very well. Some that try to start off big make it but they have to jump a major hurtle and its not easy to junp over.

Hopefully I havn't made a fool of myself with this and as I said above, I am no expert or even qualified to say I know how the business stuff works but it is my view on how things work and I would welcome any input as to what I have said.

By DavidHess on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I am far from qualified to question the posts on this board but: are not the 18 hp motors only using full power when under full load?
I must also point out to the crew at EM2K that the people spending $10k do want to hear from someone that they trust that this is legit, on the other side if I only had one I wouldn�t want it out of my site (which would explain why they didn�t e-mail back when I offered to test one out on a hunting trip). If Mr. Ewing does want to prove what he says I would recommend he have a public showing at his site at 3808 N. Sullivan Road, Spokane. I for one would show up at any time day or night. As a local outdoorsman I have told numerous friends about the EM2K since hearing they were moving to Spokane and am sure the EM2K will sell if it they can do what they claim.
David Hess
Cell 509-939-5127

By barryhh3f on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I just read though the entire DB on the EM2K. I have come to the conclusion that this is a �real hard room to please�, as the stand up comic would say.

I went back and re-examined the EM2K web site, and one of the things that caught my attention was the comparison matrix. Did anyone else notice that of the 8 AATVs compared against the EM2K only 2 are in production. And all blocks right of the EM2K column, are filled with �NO�. Come on guys make an effort to be real here. Anyone with any experience with ATVs & AATVs will look at this and figure you are ether ignorant of the competition or trying to con people.

AATVs like firearms have not seen any real development in many decades, and I for one, would like to see some real innovation come along in both fields.

By BigRed Wolf on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hello,

I also read all the postings regarding this subject, and also reviewed the subject web site. Yes indeed there are definatelty several area's of on the web site that they did not do a good job of explaining, one is the comparison area, and others are more explicit detail on the theory and technology installed. Although I would never consider buying any thing like this, until such time that it is a proven product, and there are written reviews available to read on it.

What I do find interesting is the fact that the unit does seem to operate well on the video, so obviously they do have some thing that does work. You can also discuss and argue over electrical energy calculation and horsepower and drives trains until you are blue in the face.

What else I find interseting is this fellow has a back ground in the Aerospace and Defense Contract Industries, and an R&D back ground. It is possible that he has knowledge and experience with materials, and systems, and components, and techniques that most, if not all of us have not even heard of. The information on his web site does clearly state, his inventions contain leading edge technology.

If nothing else, I would love to see one of these up close, and have the chance to pick the inventors brain. He probably does indeed have some innovative ground breaking stuff, however, he is also probably strapped financially, needing a huge influx of venture capital investment. Given his back ground, and the need for some substantial venture capital investment, he is more than likely focusing his efforts on landing some government and military contracts, rather than focusing on the general public applications. If you think about it, it is a smart thing to do. You could get vertually endless venture capital to develop military application machines, and then use some profits to finish the development of a machine for use by the general public. That is what the company that manfactures the SupaCat product seems to have done.

These are my thoughts and two cents worth of comments.

Thanks

By JBC on Unrecorded Date: Edit

jet drive
Posted by Dick Ewing on 6/10/2003, 8:41 am
65.176.65.132

We are an electric Vehicle manufacturer, please see; www.extrememachine2000.com

We are presently testing a jet ski drive for the above vehicle. We will be using a 16hp electric motor. We are looking for someone who will provide jet pumps in volume (we believe about 8,000 units/ year, once we are fully ramped up).

Dick
CEO
Extreme Machine 2000 Inc
(509) 548-7274

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News is hard to find on the EM2000. This just showed up on a search.

By Big Wolf on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I ran accross a posting on the Google search engine a couple of days ago, however, I forgot to copy the address information for it. Any way it looks like the Extreme Machines Company is up for sale now. I beleive the asking price range was some where in the area of $3 to $5 million range, which included appoximately 4 to 6 employees also, and net assets of about $100K.

By masteratver on Unrecorded Date: Edit

More new about Extreme Machine 2000

http://www.siteapproved.com/nopay.htm

Looks like they are not even paying their web bill

HA Ha!!!

By Eugene kochnieff on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Big Red wolf,

Whether or not D Ewing has inovative ideas or not he like all people is constrained by the laws of nature, and quite simply the figures on the em2000 site do not add up!!!!

So untill one of these machines turn up and he wins his noble prize for changing the laws of physics I am forever a sceptic. The em 2000 will be known as the BS2000 in time to come.

By Billy Bob on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Looks like the Great American Extreme Machine 2000
will also be known as the Great Turkey Machine 2000

Billy Bob 007( Ha Ha)

By Attex Bob on Unrecorded Date: Edit

was some where in the area of $3 to $5 million range, which included appoximately 4 to 6 employees also, and net assets of about $100K.

Oh, now thats a good buy!!!! Clowns, what a bunch of clowns!!!!

By shane forsythe (Shanefor1) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

dear mr.smith or dick ewing,
, and route 6x6 ers.
if you 6x6 does what it says it does prove it and you will have the full backing of this board .

bring it to a ride , sell it in australia we are atv starved.
but don't think we will buy it on hear say on your site alone.

for me to consider buying one:
do a test drive up steep hills , stop half way up a muddy hill , go again , go in deep water test it in 7 foot waves like the report above says.
drive at highspeed 20mph for 2 hours to prove battery life, ( most aatv's are ridden all day) and yours has to as well if it has the range you say it does.
also it needs to be repairable by a handyman or atleast crawl home in the event of a brake down.
or have one ofyour factory tecknitions on call for this (highly unlikly).
and have parts avalibilaty.

and i allways try before buying, and pay cod.

on the subject of investers / pre-paying before delivery,
in about 1900 when cars were first being made,
a bloke in britan triedto sell a completly silent running car it seated 2 and had 3 wheels and a wierd looking engine , no fuel was needed and test drives were allways done down hill,

it turns out it had no engine and the dood was jailed for fraud.

if this aatv 6x6 realy works why doesn't he show it off at humphrey ny, or haspin acres , or pete's etc...

if you collect all the bs from the makers of the extreme machine 2000, and ferment it , you could power it on methane gas. lol.

shane.

By shane forsythe (Shanefor1) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

anyony want to buy thair circus????
maybe mr smith could be thair comedian, he makes me laugh.

i think the level of knocking is directly proportionate to the claims made.

shane.

By Big Wolf on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hey guys, I did go back and locate that posting that I saw on the internet search engine, regarding the Extreme Machines Company being listed for sale. You can find it just be searching on the Google search engine, by typing in "amphibious atv" as the key words to search for.

By redhotatv on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hey Guys,
I just did some research and found out that Extreme Machine isn't for sale after all. Apparently that Smith guy that we heard from way back when, isn't affiliated with them anymore and the moron decided to mess with them by offering them for sale!! What a screw ball he is....

By shane forsythe (Shanefor1) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

atv and everyone at route 6x6,
has anyone got an e-mail from a dude called:

bruce@ (some company i've never herd of).com with an attachment i never opened,

look out for it and don't open any e-mail with attachments from people you don't expect .

you probably know this by now , but for new comers to the net this is how virus (es) spread.

iuse a internet cafe so i don't get (or spread) viruses, ha bet him at his own game, ha ha ha,

well i never opened it and i never herd of him and he doesn't know nothing about me so i think someome is trying to send me a virus (or spam)
anyhow they can get st##fed ,it seems any one who bad mouths mr smith gets a virus sent , coincedence?????

is he in that company that specilizes in virus protection that comes up when you click on the old hot link to extreem machine (up near the top of this subject), i's sus.

i use a internet cafe computer and i won't get viruses, and i never opened it.

on the same subject (probably), that smith guy sounds like a real peace of work, he should donate his brain to science, he doesn't need it.

i hope that extreme machiene if they ever existed and are for real, do make it as a compny.

it's good to get some competition ( if thair legit).

they still havn't replyed to my challenge to test the atv though,
if they want grate sales they should prove themselves.
shane.

By JBC on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Damm!!!!!

By shane forsythe (Shanefor1) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

jbc,
damm 's right.
got another attachment taday from a mr smith ,
well i nevr open anything from someone unless they definatly knowmeand it's not a n automatic e-mail virus.

never got a virus yet.
can't infect my computer as i use a net kiosk, not mine.

hope it won't happen to no one else.
shane

By redhotatv on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Extreme Machine isn't out of business after all. They just changed their domain name. Check it out! I found them at www.extrememachine2k.com.

By shane forsythe (Shanefor1) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

but are they selling 6x6's ,
or just looking for investors ????

By Alfred on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Here's the latest Score Board;
1. Extreme Machine 2000/2k is gone again, looks like Smith and his BS ate it.
2. Wild Cat by TerraTrack is gone after building 12 they are Bankrupt, should be fun to watch this one unfold.

By cushman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

And Cushman quit building Tracksters about 30 years ago.

Must have been junk

By Alfred ( - 66.39.175.58) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Trackster Production started in 1970 and ceased in 1976 after 5000 were built, I see no problems with that. How many Argo's or Max's have been built over a period of 6 years.
What shows the true value of a Trackster is how many are still out there after 30 years, I estimate around 2000 are still being used.

By Howard Hoover on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Alfred, I was just wondering what those numbers in parenthesis are for after your name ?
Thanks Howard Hoover

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IP address, Richard must have changed the board settings.

Hey guys new Browser is out there, I really like it.
Go to www.getfirefox.com

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the numbers after your name are your exact webb address, (sometimes this is just on that day)

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By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Thanks Richard- Great site, don't know what we would do without it!

By Mike Smith ( - 216.127.78.98) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Extreme Machine will soon announce the greatest ATV of all time, watch for New Prairie Scooner at your local ATV Dealer.

By Jeff Owens ( - 216.127.78.98) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

OK you have my interest,just what is a Prairie Scooner

By shane forsythe (Shanefor1) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

like the extreme machiene 2000,a lot of hot air agian.

sounds like payote juice in a beer glass.

well let's hope they get it right this time.

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