By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Last year I went on the cal.4wheel winter fun fest, this is for 4x4 owners,I think we all should start winter fest for atv owners and 6x6 owners, this year they have river bottom games again,this on 1/14/2001 I will be there with my max4 like to see other riders there? let me know my e-mail address is clocks@jps.net I will give you directions it is in grass valley ca.meeting place for the 4wheelers is at the nevada county fair grounds the river bottom games are off of red dog road at greenhorn creek.

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Does any one know about riding on pismo beach in cal. I know its a state park and if you can camp there?

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hi carmen (virusdog) sounds like a good trip to pismo,I have a sister that lives down there another reason for going there,how does your max perform in the sand compare to your quad? maybe this next summer we can ride on pismo beach,do they lots of sand dunes?miles?matt.

By carmen cafro on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Matt, my old 86 max works exelent in the sand and is even more fun than my quad. I'm there! But we need a bunch of 6 wheel people. Lets pick a date and spread the word. Carmen

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hi carmen I will try for pismo this summer? another place is death valley it would be ok in the winter,have you ever been there? I was there when I was 10, I will keep checking the web for riding places some where in the middle of the state, do you have tracks for your max? matt.

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Just a reminder that the river bottom games are coming up in less than two weeks,its on january 14th in grass valley,from hiway 49 to brunswick road,head east to Idaho maryland road turn left (north) follow that till you get to red dog road turn right and follow till you get to the river green horn creek,need better directions? e-mail me at clocks@jps.net see you there. matt

By Brian Dolen (Bdizzy) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

where are the rides in Cali, its 2002 now and
all those posts are years old!!!! whats going
on this year fellas. are there any 6x6 races or
festivals comming up this summer?

By Tony on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I'm in bay area california with a 20horse max 2. I rode some of the rubicon, stonyford and stuff and never see any other 6x6. Is there anyone in california with a 6x6, let me know at bigboybfg@aol.com
-Tony

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I am interested in going on the rubicon,any one else would like to go on a rubicon trail? this sounds like a good weekend camping trip, we should go so before summer ends, or wait for the snow to fall and put our tops on and tracks on and make it a snow trip? waiting for a reply. matt

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Winter fun fest is coming up in the middle of this month, also the river bottom games are also the same weekend, this is in grass valley ca. put your snow tracks on!

By chris davison on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Ive been on the rubicon many times .Big tires low crawler gear ratios and lots of ground clearance and articulation are needed. of course a couple of hundred ponies are useful for those 40 inch tall boulders in the middle of the road you cant go around. Camping at the back of loon lake is fantastic so is the fishing and when the lake is low its nice to drive out of the water to your camp site and not have to lug the ice chest.
Its closed during the winter.

By chris davison on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Ive been on the rubicon many times .Big tires low crawler gear ratios and lots of ground clearance and articulation are needed. of course a couple of hundred ponies are useful for those 40 inch tall boulders in the middle of the road you cant go around. Camping at the back of loon lake is fantastic so is the fishing and when the lake is low its nice to drive out of the water to your camp site and not have to lug the ice chest.
Its closed during the winter.

By dakota on Unrecorded Date: Edit

actualy get in touch with Don at 4 season argo in Carson City NV. they did take a couple agro conquests on the Rubicon trail , and have some video to prove it . Looked like they did the trail with very few problems too

By Damen T.Hill (Argoss) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

hey everyone, im here in cali and want to get a ride together on this side of the country,i was thinking maybe the oregon dunes state park in oregon, i have done some checking 6x6s are allowed as long as there licenced in there home state as an atv and meet the state safty requiremints. there is camping at or near the the state park . so let me know if one wants to get together this summer? i have a couple 6x6er's and an 8x8'er that said that they would join me so let me know

damen

By dakota on Unrecorded Date: Edit

What part of California are you in? I'm in nortern Nevada . Maybe a ride some where in the Sierra Nevada mountain range would be more comvenient for all of us out west .

By Damen T.Hill (Argoss) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I am in Grass Valley it is below trucke california, though currently my argo is down for major repairs (do to a damn horse)I left it sitting in the yard for maybe 15 minutes max and when I came back it had NO seats left in it.Stupid horse riped all the seats out.SO It is getting brand new seats From argo I'm getting woodlands camo seats, And my sister is paying for it! which is Even better!!

By dakota on Unrecorded Date: Edit

good then you are fairly close to Reno then , I know of many trials along the Nevada and California border , up north of Verdi . good mix of dessert and forest terrain . I'm sure with a few more trips out there I could map a loop that would make a good trail ride for a group to go on . How does this sound?

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Sounds like a good idea, is there an a off road park close by somewhere off of I-80 in ca.? damen I have heard that 6 wheeler does not do that well in sand,but does a hole lot better in wet sand, Maybe you should try the sand mountain in nevada before you go all the way to oregon, I have not tried mine in sand yet!? I would like to see a ride going, even if its for one day? talk to you all later. matt

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Sounds like a good idea, is there an a off road park close by somewhere off of I-80 in ca.? damen I have heard that 6 wheeler does not do that well in sand,but does a hole lot better in wet sand, Maybe you should try the sand mountain in nevada before you go all the way to oregon, I have not tried mine in sand yet!? I would like to see a ride going, even if its for one day? talk to you all later. matt

By dakota on Unrecorded Date: Edit

actually these machines suck in climbing dunes.I have been out to sand mountain.You can have fun in the small dunes , but will never generate the wheel speed it takes to climb the main dune.Unless you go out there in the middle of the winter after a storm and the dune is frozen solid then it will climb right up , but you will freeze you but off.The area I was thinking of is on public land. The hard part is choosing a route that isn't to boring for the experienced rider , or to scary for the novice

By dakota on Unrecorded Date: Edit

actually these machines suck in climbing dunes.I have been out to sand mountain.You can have fun in the small dunes , but will never generate the wheel speed it takes to climb the main dune.Unless you go out there in the middle of the winter after a storm and the dune is frozen solid then it will climb right up , but you will freeze you but off.The area I was thinking of is on public land. The hard part is choosing a route that isn't to boring for the experienced rider , or to scary for the novice

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Actually your a bit wrong. On a 6x6, not sure about 8x8, but if you remove the two middle wheeles, the machine will actually climb the dune. I don't know how or why but a good friend tried it and it worked wonders. It may be a bit of work but honestly, how hard is it to pop off some nuts on the wheeles and throw them in the back for a while? thats what I thought. they are easy to put back on, so go for it!

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Why are the posts getting repeated and reposted word for word?

By Damen T.Hill (Argoss) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I have heard of the ohv park off I-80 passed it once looks very nice. I have heard about argos in sand But what about with tracks? I can get a hold of a hydro traxx with tracks or a 8x8 conquesrt with dullys on it so for me if my 6x6 argo won't climb dunes its a ten minute drvie to a hydrotraxx with tracks.has any body ever tried dullys on a 6x6? my grandfather. has a conquest 8x8 with dullys and it has no problem on sand I have driven it in the nevada sand it seems to have no problem but the argo 6x6s with no tracks or dullys seem to dig themselves in to 6 neat little holes. let me know

thanks damen

By Dave Johnston on Unrecorded Date: Edit

As one who was with DON at 4 SEASONS ARGO in CARSON CITY on the Rubicon Trail, I can share some facts and info. Getting there was a pain. We started from the WEST side, next time I think the EAST side would be easier. MOST of the JEEPS were starting from the WEST side also, and it appears going WEST TO EAST is easier. (The Jeeps were Dealer demo JEEP RUBICONS and they were getting dented up.) TIRES are important. I had the standard tires and had a lot of easily repaired flats. Don had the upgrade tires and had fewer problems. The front winch was nice but I did not have one and did not need one. If you do some of the harder routes...the winch comes in handy. I did not bring my outboard... there are a couple of nice lakes there and it would have been fun to do a spin around them. DO NOT use sun tan lotion...
better to use long pants and sleeves and a hat. I looked like a dirty baby in my shorts, t-shirt and sun tan lotion. Not everyone needs to carry a full set of tools and parts... divide up the work and cargo. BRING A CAMERA.. And be ready to wait for the "slower than molasses" Jeeps to get out of your way. Contact DON in Carson City if you want to be in the next Rubicon Run. It is a blast.

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Every wednesday on cable tv the outdoor channel the lineup starts with atv tv it always covers quads never a 6x6 or 8x8, I e-mailed them about the lack of other atv's or trac atv's maybe if a number of e-mailers asking them to add these other atv's to there show, and if you like four wheeling? The next half hour is for you, but that gets old to, Same old drivers, They need some input from its veiwers, it needs some veiwer stories and there tapes! these two shows are on from 6pm to 7pm on wednesdays, you can mail in your voice. goto
www.atvtv.com Matt In grass valley ca.

By Damen T.Hill (Argoss) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hey matt,
As you know I am in grass valley and live pratically down the street. I was wondering If you would like yo get together at green horn on a upcoming weekend Would have to be sunday probably. I want to try my argo out down there and it would be nice to have another 6x'er with me ( also maybe a tow if my opionated old techupsa engine gets overheated) woulden't
belive it but it can overheat in a snow storm with heavy cold winds with no hood on it.Its a cast iorn block if ya can't tell.

let me know soon.
damen

By dakota on Unrecorded Date: Edit

sounds good sunday is good , like june 15 or 22. let me know what you think . i have never been to green horn , I have my california permit so all i need is directions to the trail head, feel free to e-mail me direct if you want too .

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

How about june 8th is that possible, dakoda? also where are coming from? I can give you directions, let me know? matt. Also what will you driving in the creek? anyone else interested in this ride? we can set any date!

By Damen T.Hill (Argoss) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Yeah we could work that I am sure. Green horn's nice it is one hell of a huge gravel pit with a river in the winter and an a large creek in the summer with some nice pools to float in in some spots! it consist's of steap banks in some spots and little hills in others and pits and if you can think it its there no mud though:( let's get this planed! looking forward to meeting another route 6x6'er!

By dakota on Unrecorded Date: Edit

i wish I could do the 8th but , I'm getting sent out of town for work that week.I'm coming from sparks Nevada. the 15th or the 22nd are still opne in my schedule .

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

The 15th looks good that is fathers day! Dakoda the best way to get there is to come down I-80 to colfax an exit 174 to grass valley just to let know you are getting close you will pass chicago park keep going,couple miles futher you will pass rollins lake greenhorn access road on the right,keep going just about a mile or so you wiil turn right on you bet road follow that till you cross greenhorn creek make your next left it run along the creek this goes throw hansen brothers gravel pit then you come upon greenhorn creek that is where we will be! now to set a date and time?

By dakota on Unrecorded Date: Edit

The 15th is good here , I can be there by 9 am . Hopefully a few others that read this will show up too.

By Damen T.Hill (Argoss) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Can do the 15th but I can't be there until noon. but I will be there So what type of aatv do you have dakota? lets all meet at the acsess road. I was out there yesterday just kicking it with my sis and her boyfriend and my mother looks like its going to be good 6x6ing. Oh...and dakota are you trailering or carrying your aatv in the back of a pickup? because if your carrying it in a pickup bed You will need ramps or a bank to unload it.I am carrying mine in the back of a 1 ton pickup and don't have ramps so hopfully I can find a bank or ramps It will be a damn differnt ride down ramps never done it. have gone up them but,they where just like 4x4 posts on peeler cores I made to play balance the argo its really hard but it can be done. but never loaded it in to the bed of a pickup. is it hard?
Can't wait to meet you guys!
let me know!!
damen

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Damen with the truck and ramps, its no big deal. As long as your ramps are A) long enough to get up and in, 2) if your truck bed has the wheel hubs in the bed, you may want to check width and see if the ss will fit in. Usually, ramps have to be built over the hubs and then a system with drive up ramps has to be made. If this is the case, than you need a bracket that fits together so that the ramps over the hubs, and the drive on ramps lock together to get the argo on. When you are loading up, take is nice and slow and when the ARGO pivots on its middle wheel, be ready to stop to avoid going through the back window. Do not- NOT, NOT brake much unloading though. The weight in the front of the argo and the brakes are a bad combo. If you hit the brakes on the way out, as it is pivoting from flat to angled, the front could go right over. The best sulution is to anchor a eye hook or something in the front of the bed of the truck and if you have a winch (don't remember seeing one on the pictures) let some cable out, just enough to let you back the argo enough to be just about at the pivot point and then just push it (make it so the cable tightens up just as the argo is about to pivot and start going down. Then winch down. No matter what, anchor your drive on planks to something so they don't move at all no matter what. The last thing you want is that the weight of the argo, moves the boards and the argo falls off, if you can imagine that happening, ( i can only picture myself doing this- more than once) than you will ensure every step is taken. I never considered the bank thing, but it may be a good idea. Check the site out first and then you know what you'll find and where you can unload.

Good luck

By Dave Johnston on Unrecorded Date: Edit

It seems to me.... That if you put an anchor on the front of the pickup bed, and release the tailgate of the truck so it hangs down to the bumper and a few strategically placed blocks of wood...you could use the winch to LIFT the front of the ARGO to the point the FRONT wheels make contact with the tailgate, then do a combination of driving forward AND wenching and get the ARGO into the pickup bed WITHOUT using a ramp. However the point made about the ARGO suddenly tilting forward on the wheel wells and going thru the rear window is a GOOD one. One COULD make a ramp from the back of the bed up at a 30-45 degree angle towards the TOP of the cab and carry the ARGO slanted on the back of the truck. This would KEEP it out of the truck bed and away from the window. It would certainly keep the ARGO from coming forward into the cab if you hit something hard while driving the truck. It would also give you a large wedge shaped storage area in the truck bed UNDER the ARGO. Don't know about you, but I always seem to need more cargo space.

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Dave, good points made, however, as we all know, the ARGO holding brakes won't hold that much pressure unless they are tightened up. You would still have to have an anchor point for the whinch to hold the vehicle up on the ramp, or have a stopper type thing that raises up to hold the vehicle in place. What you are talking about is like the trucks that carry the cars, not the double decker ones though. They are only one level with a long ramp on them and it goes over the cab. That would also eliminate the pivoting as you mentioned. However, As I said, their has to be a way to stop the argo from rolling back and just an anchor alone won't do it. maybe one at the back too, but only if you have a winch on the back or a really strong strap that won't break.

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Dave, one thing I forgot to mention, it would take more than just a few strategicallyplaced blocks. You would have to have enough to get the ARGO about half way between ground level and the bed level or you would be placing huge force on the tailgate and bumper. NOt to mention, the winch may not take too much of that after a while. (the cable not the motor itself)I also think if its not done a few times to practice, one could easily screw up and end up with the argo upside down and them in rough shape.

By Damen T.Hill (Argoss) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

i load and unload my argo using banks it works really good, But my one ton pickup is only a two wheel drive and it gets really light arsed when you unload the argo so it likes to bury its self in gravel,so i have to use ramps at the river to unload. And yes david I can imagine going through the rear window almost did that earlyer!
My argo has to sit with one side on the inner finder and one side on the bed and yeah you do get a little more storage space it is just kinda scary when it slips on one side off the inner finder and goes thud in to the bed did that earlyer to! I am going to make some ramps that fit in between the cab and finder wells to make the argo sit even in the bed, it sits at an angle in the bed now. well i will post pictures of the ride later!

damen

By mike martindale (Wetsu) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

i don't know if this will help.....but before i got my trailer,i used to carry my bigfoot in the back of my 94 chevy cheyenne. i made ramps from those treated landscape timbers,( 2 nailed side x side 4 total).then i used 2x6's 2 across the bed,and 2 that started mid-way on the fender wells and went to the front of the bed.then i took 2 8x8 blocks 2' long and put them just behind the wells.then when you load up you don't have the sudden tilt forwrd or back.and the machine rides over the rear window,and rides level.then you shut the tailgate and it holds it in just fine.this will work on full size beds.

By Damen T.Hill (Argoss) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

so dakota and matt smith,
are we for sure meeting down at greenhorn this sunday? meeting time is most likly neogiatable on my side.
let me know

damen

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Damen I will be there in the morning somewhere between 9 am and 10 am. Do you need the ramps again or does dakota have ramps that is going to use? I will be at the same place! matt

By Damen T.Hill (Argoss) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

yeah i need the ramps, can probably do 10 am but i will call you saterday evening and confirm that. later
damen

By dakota on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Today turned out to be a great ride up a the Green horn.2 ,6 wheelers was all the wae there till the afternoon when all the dirt bikers started showing up . Matthew Smith and I did manage to find a technical area trying to get across a dam that was put across the stream just to stop people like us . We did get across with no external assistance from the winch going with the water flow of the stream , coming back going against the current was a different story. We did get over the dam with use of the winches , and a few scrapes on the machines.My scrapes where on the top just above the air inlet for the blower. No biggie , gives the bigfot some caractor

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Well went for a fathers day ride today with dakota from nevada we tried to make it over a broken concrete wall in the river had no problem going down stream over the wall,floatable water on both sides of the wall, first the rider with me with his argo made it first so before I went down stream I told him to see if he would make it back over the wall going up stream, he had to be winched so I went over the wall tried to go up stream over the wall and I could not make it, so I had to be winched,I also carry an air compresser and a tow strap the story off the strap comes later, it can be a life saver or your down fall! dakota has some battle scars on his argo tring to get back over the wall, on each side off the creek is canyon walls I tried to go over the wall on the end where it meets the canyon wall just about made it, but just about flip over it was to steap, futher down stream was rollins lake we did not make it! there was only one hill that I made that the argo did not make the rest of the time he was right with me. three hours later in our ride,the tow strap that I had tied down at the end of the back seat that saved us getting back over the wall made its way down into the drive chain and I lost a chain, after removing the mess of rope,I had only the right side to drive back the the trailer witch was just around the next bend in the river. take it from me,put any loose items in a bag or something to keep from falling throw the floor board, overall it was a fun and challening ride but we need more rides, next time I try to go over this wall I will bring my ramps! One thing riding in the river no dust!

By Tony on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hey. Is anyone interested in riding the rubicon? I have done some of it in my max and it is easy enough (few scratches under, but nothing deep, or serious) I know its a few days trail, so its a camping trip. Let me know.

By dakota on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Tony call the Argo dealer in Carson City NV. they are planning a trip up there this sunday the 13th.the number is 775-884-4807. i know I'm planning on being there myself , my number is in the owners list

By matthew smith on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hi tony and dakoda when is this ride to start? and are planing to camp out? and where is the starting place, are you going thru the whole trail ? I have never been there, will one tank of gas last the trip? it is possible that I can make it, so many Questions?? I will check later. thanks Matt Smith, Grass Valley

By SUPER DAVE on Unrecorded Date: Edit

RUBICON TRAIL. Don at ARGO WORLD headed up a trip this week (11-12 AUG 2004) We started at the Lake Tahoe side and went to Loon Lake, returning the next day. We started with a group of 10 ARGOS, three COOTS, and one JEEP Wrangler. We ended with a group of 6 ARGOS. The Jeep, IMO is the only one that dropped out due to inability to do it. Wrong tires is the main reason. Don's advice to pump up tire pressure saved us a LOT of flats and dented rims this trip. No one else had to quit due to breakdowns or inability to get down the trail but we did have a number drop out due to desire not to continue. Also, I though the six-wheeled ARGOS were at a disadvantage but they did just fine, keeping right us with us and at times, leading the pack. We got lots of pictures including one of a COOT having to winch the COOT with the trailer up Million Dollar Hill. We were all interested in the COOT because of the trailer. Who never wishes for more storage/carrying capacity? Well, even the COOT driver commented what a pain it was. (Without trailers, the other two COOTS did just fine.) We could certainly tell it denied him the option of backing down the hill and trying a different approach. I highly recommend a rack sticking off the back of the ARGO or one built over the hood if you want more storage. Whatever you do, TIE YOUR STUFF DOWN! Bottom line, I had a great time and wish to thank DON at ARGO WORLD for getting everyone together for this terrific ride...

By dakota on Unrecorded Date: Edit

This years trip on the rubicon was a great adventure indeed.Our group didn't just go over the trail in one direction in fact we started in tahoe and went to Loon lake , then turned around and did the trail again to get back to our cars parked at the staging area. So technicly speaking the rubicon trail was done twice. Unfortunatly my riding partner didn't like the heat of the summer out on the rocks , so I turned around just sort of loon lake. By just sort I mean like 1/2 mile sort , we still did all the obsticals and challenges on the trial twice. This way we ended up camping closer to home and would have the trail completed by mid morning. On the return trip we did come across 2 other Argo's that called it quits just after cadalac hill. They joined up with us for the return trip back to the staging area. Once home and showered off The only damage was a few bug bits on me and a sun burn on my partner. The Agro had no damage at all , just due for it's 200hr service before it's next adventure.

By wilbur on Unrecorded Date: Edit

the Rubicon Trial is truly the grand daddy of them all when it comes to off road trails. Don at Four Seasons Argo and ODG hope to make this a annual event. The Rubicon is the best place I know of to put a machine (and driver) to the test.All companies that
make ATV's should run this trail and then decide if it is truly an ALL TERAIN VECHICLE. The ARGO is

By tug on Unrecorded Date: Edit

im hoping to get with you guys,where and when next?