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By mark harding (Promoza) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

correct me if I'm wrong but aren't rawhideIII supposed to propel you through the water i just try'ed my new set out in a lake and it didn't move made a heck of a splash but would not move me at all i have the V tread pointing up like they should be do to a limitation I'm running the 22" instead of the 26" on my maxIV do to it is to hard for me to get in with 26"tires.But that shouldn't make a diff. in how it would go would it I'm at a lost if you can give me any idea on what's going on please let me know
thanks Mark

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I think everyone thought that. I have heard that they are shit in water. I would have thought they would make the argo fully amphibious including drivable in water. The runnamucks are alright in water as long as you keep the throttle down low.

By mark harding (Promoza) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

nice to know now after just laying out the cash for them looks like I'll sell rim's tires and all and get a set of the 26" ones I'll just get a step stool to get in with LOL

By lawpressman on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Someone needs to do a tire test and tell the AATV world witch tires are the best in water and in mud. Like hook up a max or Argo to a rope with a scale on it and see how much it will pull in the water or install a GPS on the AATV and see how fast it is in the water.

By mike martindale (Wetsu) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

mark,i'm sorry i left you hangin..( unexpected company dropped in ). the tread design you have with the rawhideIII is a good pattern.the problem you are having is that you are not propelling water with all 6 tires.like i said before you are are just feeding 1 tire with another with water until you get to the rear tires.and that is the only tires pushing you,which is why i think you are going nowhere fast.besides the fact that you are also using outriggers will also make a HUGE difference in the performance.i'm sure that if anyone here ran smaller tires on their machines they would encounter the EXACT same problem.so the way i see it you either go with the recomended tire size,or add a different type of water propulsion.ie; gas power,or electric.or maybe you could add paddles to your existing tires????????? especially the rears.the kind that bolt to your wheels.just a thought.

By Tim O'Keefe on Unrecorded Date: Edit

When I had the rawhide III's on my Bigfoot, it worked real well in the water. I switched to the gator's and they are terrible in the water, but insane in the mud and swamp. I now turned them around because they didn't work anyway, and now they seem to work pretty well in the water! Go figure!
P.S Pete and Marc, send me an email or call me about ordering those bearings! Please

By Marc Stobinski (Jerseybigfoot) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

The tire water propulsion issue is not an exact science but there is a relationship with the depth the tire sits in water the distance between the tires and how close they are from the body. My 12 hp Scrambler with 21”chevrons cruises while my 20hp Hustler is a dog with 25” rawhides. I have also seen Max 4's motor with 26" Dicos.

By mark harding (Promoza) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

well it's funny that it dont work due to that wasthe size it came with way back and the floats dont really hender the movement any they were on a maxIV with 26" tires only thing it kept it for feeling like it was going to tip i tryed it with and with out them. so if i go with the bigger tires i just need to get a step so i can get in do to if i lift my right leg to get in i fall over the left one is week but thanks for thr thoughs

By MaxRules (Brandon_price) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

The Rawhide III is slow enough on the Max II, but the IV's wheel spacing makes them almost useless. The larger Rawhide works very well on the Bigfoot. The other Argos do suprisingly well with the Runamuks, for being racing slicks.
The 21" Rawhide is the fastest on the Max II. The 26" Goodyear / Dico tire makes the Max IV the fastest AATV on the water, no comparison.
I had a Terra Jet VA-6 years ago. It has the 26" tires, but they were on for mud (opposite of the 6x6). The Jet is very quick in water, faster than many 6x6s. The fenders being close to the tires helped with speed. I remember HydroTraxx having a skirt kit. It was a fender that was close to the tires to channel water better and keep splashing down. They claim it improved water speed.

By mark harding (Promoza) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

ok now i see why it dont go in water thanks for all the help from every one but on land this thing hulls butt with a gps i was running at 48 mileshrs but this due to a sliglty mod 500cc

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Up at my cottage, I found someone who owns an ARGO Bigfoot. I asked him about the tread on his machine and what he thought of it in water. he said that he put the very back tires (left and right) so the tread was the opposite way of what they are supposed to be. He said it did help a bit, but he didn't really know how much or well they are supposed to work in water as he is an amature and doesn't have a lot of water time under his belt.

By terry harrison (Th3) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

i have a max iv with goodyear terra-tire super terra grip 26x12x12's. i have found that the higher the tires ride out of the water the faster they travel across the pond. i have had enough weight in the max to cause the front tires to be completely under and could hardly get the max to move, but after unloading and bringing the tires back to being 1/3 out of the water we were back to hauling butt. seems that the lower the tires ride in the water the slower they go.......the more tire out of the water the faster.

the goodyear terra tire seems to go pretty good in the water. the only thing i have to compare to is my friends 6 wheel argo bigfoot. there is a very noticeable difference in water speed, the max being the faster of the two. i think he has 25" rawhide 3's but i cant be for sure, its what came on it from the dealer.

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I don't know if this is 100% true, but the guy that does our ARGO servicing/fixing, has an ARGO that was custom made from ODG as he was a dealer and stopped right after he got his machine- It is pretty much like a 6x6 Conquest, except its much more heavy duty- he had re-enforced the hell out of the body as he is dragging logs from places that you generally wouldn't try to move with an ARGO- and he has several other additions to allow him to work in the bush- he is actually working for my dad now clearing land but the point is, he has the rawhide 3 tires and says that unless he used absolutely next to no throttle, he goes backwards. He said the rawhides don't do well in water, but great in mud. My ARGO, has the runnamucks (runnasucks) and sucks in thick gooey mud, but pretty good in water, until is starts to leak. I have an 8 wheeler ARGO so the back rides high in water, but the more the tires are submerged with some still out, the more thrust you get, the more out of the water, the more turbulence you get. If you weigh the back down heavily you may have to use a bit more throttle to get it going, then once its going you can let it off and it will go fine.

By SixanStix on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Some great information on tread patterns. I have a MAX II with Briggs 18hp and solid axles. Been wondering about this issue of tire size and tread. The Goodyear Terra's are very similar in design with the nod to the Rawhide III's being bigger and wider with the deeper lug. But not by much, 17/32 tread depth Terra and 19/32 on the III. Called RI and they said 22's is it for the MAX II because a larger tire would pack mud in the fender and not clean itself.

Ok, why not go wider and get one with more tread depth? You have other tires that feature widths of 12.5 in and tread depth of near an inch. The prices range around $50 per tire. Not a bad option if it works and you gain some performance.

I have seen photos of the MAX VI with duals on them . Have yet to see anything similar on the MAX II. So why not 12.5 inch wide tires with an inch of tread? Anyone have any experence or knowledge of use of the following tires on a MAX II?

Greenball "Gator" 22x11x8 27/32 tread depth
ITP Holeshot XCT 22x11x8
ITP Mudlite 22x11x8
ITP Spider Trac 22x12.5x8
Kenda Bearclaw 22x12x8
Mud Machine A/T 22x12x8
Super Swamper 22x12.5x8

By shane forsythe (Shanefor1) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

hey sixansticks,
how about sending in the pic of max4 with duels so richard can put it in r6x6 photos????

shane.

By SixanStix on Unrecorded Date: Edit

only have it in a video format and I haven't the gear to get that to digital. The guy with the duals gets into some pretty good slop and seems to run fine.

By David Keeso (Argomag) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

SixanStix, you are forgetting one very important factor. We are SKID-STEER- Tires on our machines don't pivot, they skid- Sidewalls must be really strong, and they can't gr ip too well or you'll flip the machine trying to turn. This is one of the considerations that have to be made. Also, if you start mixing tyres around (certain types against others) on one machine, you affect how it drives and performs. They are sent to you for optimal useage. When you start changing things, you are opening up possibilities for disaster or maybe success, but be careful!

By SixanStix on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Good point on the sidewalls not sliding. Most all of the tires I listed are 6ply. Not even thinking of mixing them with another, but side wall tread patterns sould be an issue of consideration. RI decided to run wider and taller with the Rawhide III, just wondering if some fellow has tried the tires I listed and could let us know what they found out. Tim O'keefe had some great information on the Gators. They have a similar tread design to the Rawhide are 6ply and have an awsome 27/32 inch tread depth which is 1/4" more than the Rawhide III.

By greg nodich on Unrecorded Date: Edit

i have 26 inch bearclaws on a max4. they do great in dirt, mud,up hills,in snow,climbing over obsticles,and very durable over sharp rocks,(towercity), but harder to turn,and terrible in water.it will barely move at all in water.

By Attex Bob on Unrecorded Date: Edit

The problem with the very tough tires you have listed is that they are very hard. These things have NO suspension. The little that they do have is from the tires. If you start putting real hard tires on you AATV you are going to have back problems like you have never seen!!!!! One guy on here thought it would be cool to put vampires on his machine. Not good.
The original balloon tires were the best for these machines. I just wish they still made them!!!

By shane forsythe (Shanefor1) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

sixanstix,
thanks for the info, maybe one of the guys who does video's for sale would be interested
c'mon david burger or john schwab please???
shane.

By jeremyw on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I have an Argo Vangaurd I (1993) and I am having trouble with my tires spinning on the rims. I bought the buggy second hand so I don't know how old the tires are. The treads are in good shape though. If I try to run the three pounds suggested in them they spin on the rim . I run 6 to 7 pounds which makes the ride very rough. I am going to replace the tires and would like to go up 1 inch in height and 1 inch in width. I have 22"X11X8 rawhide threes at this time. Would like to go to something 23" X 12"X 9"maybe the 9 inch rims want spin off as easy. Would like suggestions on tires I could use. I hunt in a Mix of water, marsh, and mud I also travel through woods with no trails cut, over logs and the likes.

By david berger (Davidrrrd) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

jeremyw in one of the photo's pages here on rt6x6 you can find a pic of a tire and rimm someone put screws threw at the beed to lock the tires to the rimms, it was done so the rims wouldent spin in the tires and ruin the tubes, the tubes were to keep them at 2.5 psi, it works great!
the screws were too short to compleatly go threw the tire beads but go deep enoph to hold even agensed wheeley's, check it out!

By shane forsythe (Shanefor1) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

dave b,
i wonder who that could of been, he he

dave, have you tried running it with no air in the tyres??

i wonder if you came up with a cheap alternative to bead locks?
could be an expensive experiment thou?
shane