By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I'm less then 6 months away from buying a new AATV. I also have friends buying later this year. I've sent away for literature and closely read the discussion boards here to get a reality check on the products I'm interested in and try to avoid ones like the Power Track ATV-6000.

I started this section to "turn the lights on" the financial side of the market. Please help everyone who reads this posting find the CURRENT PRICING of the vehicles available.
If you don't know, or not sure, just don't put anything. DON'T GUESS!
I am looking for the CURRENT RETAIL and HORSE POWER of today's AATVs.
Thank you for your help -------- BILLY

MAX-
Max II (6x6) ??hp/G ========== $?,???
Max IV (6x6) ??hp/G ==========$?,???
Buffalo (6x6) ??hp/G ==========$?,???
TrackMax (6x6 tracked) ??hp/G===$?,???

ARGO-
Vangard I+II (6x6) 16hp/G ======$?,???
Big Foot (6x6) 18hp/G =========$?,???
Response (8x8) 18hp/G ========$?,???
Conquest (8x8) 18hp/G ========$?,???

TRITON-
Preditor (8x8) 25hp/G =========$14,495
Preditor (8x8) 33.5hp/D =======$18,995
Preditor (8x8) 37.5hp/D ======= $??,???

HYDRO TRAXX-
TJ625 (6x6) 25hp/G ===========$?,???

LAND TAMER-
6x6 80hp/G ================$12,900
8x8 truck 80hp/G ============$15,100

POWER TRAC-
ATV6000 (6x6) ??hp/? =========$?,???

SUPACAT-
6x6 ??hp/D =================$??,???

TERRAJET-
453te (4x4) 16hp/G ===========$??,???
VA-6 (4x4) 16hp/G ============$8,135
VA-618 (6x6) 19hp/G or 20hp/D =$16,500

COOT-
New COOT(4x4) 16hp/G =======$10,900

CUSHMAN-
Super Trackster ??hp/? ========$??,???

SCOTT TRACK-Hill Cat
775 20hp/G ================$??,???
1100 46hp/TD ==============$??,???
1700 46hp/TD ==============$??,???

CENTAUR-
950-G (8x8) 31hp/G ==========$??,???
950-D (8x8) 26.5hp/D =========$??,???

Well, those are the big ones anyway. Please fill in the [$], the [hp], and engine type [G(gas),D(diesel),or TD(turbo diesel)].

Thanks for accurate and updated info -------- BILLY

By Shane on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Max IV 900-T with 25hp/G --- $9,305

By MaxRules (Brandon_price) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Shane I don't know where you live but the MSRP in Missouri for the Max IV 25hp is $8200.

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

O.K. then, just go ahead and guess. At least try to be in the same ball park with the MSRPs or just type in what you paid for your vehicle.
Just trying to compare the WHOLE aatv market.
Thanks for trying......BILLY

By Bob Bascomb on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Brandon, do you know what MSRP stands for? Manufacturers sugested retail price, the MSRP on a IV-900T is $ 9305.00. If you have a dealer selling one for $ 8200.00 he is giving you what is called in the real world a discounted price. Sorry to everyone else that did not need the lesson in basic economics.

By Shane on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hey MaxRules, I live in central new york, and just last week I went to a Max dealer. It doesn't make me an idiot when that's what the man said. I'm real currious to see what these atvs really do go for now! I mean there's no real consumer reports on aatvs. Thanks for clearing up the air.

By sam richards on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I want to know if there is any dealers out there ballsy enough to log in. I bought a used hydro traxx that is only 3 years old and i wanted to know what the new 1's go for? Is that price on the coot right? How does billy know?

By MaxRules (Brandon_price) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Max prices did go up slightly on August 1. I got the price from the brochure I was sent from Recreatives. The recent price increase could have raised it to no more than $8600. The price a dealer tells you may be different, I'm not saying anyone is wrong.

MaxRules

By kevinv on Unrecorded Date: Edit

$10900
98 Vanguard, Full Top, Windshield, Tracks, Alternator Kit, Full Skid Plate, Winch, Trailer Hitch, Hour Meter, Tail Light Kit.
Base-$6800
Top-$850
Windshield-$450
Tracks-$800
Alternator Kit-$380
Skid Plate$350\
Winch$400
Bal. = Installation, Taxes, Etc.

By sam richards on Unrecorded Date: Edit

kevin are you talking about a 98 hydro traxx vanguard loaded or are you talking a different make?

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I've received an E-mail from a guy in California who knows the manufacture of the COOT personally. He doesn't E-mail any info on the 2001 COOT without the consent of the manufacture (especially the price).

What I really want to know is how much a Terra-Jet 453te and an Argo BigFoot start at?

My kids and I thank you -------- BILLY

By Jerry Saylors on Unrecorded Date: Edit

My 99 Argo Conquest in Alaska was $10,200. By the way Billy, The Conquest has a 20 hp liquid cooled Kawasaki engine, not an 18. The 18 B/S is in the Response model.

Accessories vary in price depending on if you buy the machine and options from the same dealer. The dealer in Anchorage is great and usually gives me a pretty good discount considering he has a fair amount of money tied up in shipping to Alaska.

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I found the most current pricing on Max Vehicles on -------- www.6wheeldrive.com


MODELS..........NEW PRICE........OLD PRICE

II 450-T..........$5,990.............$5,640
II 500-T..........$6,985.............$6,565
II 600-T..........$7,425.............$6,950
IV 500-T.........$7,755.............$7,155
IV 600-T.........$8,780.............$8,185
IV 800-T.........$9,210.............$8,605
IV 900-T.........$9,900.............$9,305
BUFFALO........$11,620...........$11,145


Prices went into effect on August 1st 2000...check it out for yourself.
Anyone have Argo or other AATV's Prices?
Thanks-----------BILLY

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Jerry Saylors; thanks for bringing up the Hp on the Argo Conquest. I knew it was 20hp, the 18hp was a typo. Sorry buddy!
Thanks------BILLY

By MaxRules (Brandon_price) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Here are the new 2000 Max prices I got from D&R ATVs (www.maxatvs.net ).
MODEL RETAIL

11-450T 5,990
11-500T 6,985
11-600T 7,425
IV-500T 7,755
IV-600T 8,780
IV-800T 9,210
IV-900T 9,900
BUFFALO 11,620

Those prices are at least $1000 higher than I was quoted on '99 models. With all that extra money Recreatives is stealing from us, hopefully we will see a lot more new 6x6 models. It only took 30 years to get a small model change on the Max II!

MaxRules

By D.mike on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Sam, there is a new drive system in the works for the hydro-traxx, do you know anything about it? I have been unable to get any info.

By sam richards on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I'm not sure what the future holds for the hydrotraxx's drivetrain mike. I would consider buying a new one though. I'm still not sure what they start at.

By Marc Stobinski (Jerseybigfoot) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Saw the Hydrotraxx at Humphrey and the factory guys said it had shaft drives with angle-gearboxes at each wheel and 2 hydraulic motors. They also advised they are co-developing new multi speed hydraulic motors to increase the ground speed.

By sam richards on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hey mark, what's the new ones go for? By the way any other specs on the hydrotraxx?

By Tim Wafer (Iflyrctoo) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Yes I also saw the Hydro-traxx at Humphrey. It did have two hydraulic motors on the middle axles w/ shaft drive and gearboxes to the front and rear. Seemed like a good set up, but by their own admission is still way under powered at this point. They have a plastic body in the works to replace the current fiberglass. Biggest problem I saw was the width at 6 feet. He had trouble in tight spots on the trail.
Tim

By kevinv on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Sam, thats Argo Vanguard.

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I need to make a correction at the top list of prices for the Terra-Jet line. The 6x6 is in Canadian currency, while the VA-6 was pretty accurate.

Very Close in U.S. currency!

453te---16hp/G------$8,741

VA-6----16hp/G------$8,070

VA-618--19hp/G-----$10,760
(6x6)......20hp/D

QUICK REVIEW:
1. the Jets are above
2. Hydro-Traxx ??? (still waiting)
3. Max's current RETAIL posted twice above
4. Argo Conquest (Alaska) $10,200
...Argo Vanguard 1998 == $$8,600

Still looking for:

Hydro-Traxx
Argo BigFoot
Argo Response
Triton Preditor 37.5hp/Diesel
Power Trac ATV-6000

Thanks for your input------BILLY

By Henry Pfoll on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I was quoted $ 8700.00 for a bigfoot at a dealer near Rochester, NY. The dealer told me that this was the base price with no options, or freight. I hope this helps.

By MaxRules (Brandon_price) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Here are the Argo prices I got for '99 machines. I don't think these prices have changed and they are from a dealer!
Vangaurd: $6295
Vangaurd 2: $6695
Bigfoot: $7595
Response: $8695
Conquest: $10595

I also have a HydroTraxx brochure that lists the vehicle at $13,995. I think it has gone down to about $12,000 now. I was looking through my stuff and found old brochures of Max and Argo. I have Argo brochures that show the Response as a new machine and then the Bigfoot as a new machine. One Max brochure is selling the base Max II at just $4495!!!

MaxRules

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

YOU BET HENRY!!! Anyone out there looking to buy or just comparing the AATV market will appreciate your 2 cents. Anyone else know of others?
As usual ------- thanks,------BILLY

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

MAXRULES, THANKS FOR FINDING THE ARGO LINE-UP. You're a great help in our quest for pricing AATVs. If you can find any others out, please post away!
My kids and I thank you -------- BILLY

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

MaxRules-- I was giving a lot more thought to your posting, and it dawned on me that the prices on most of these AATVs are only a little more than the big quads.
I mean some of the really big quads (Honda Foreman, Polaris Sportsman, Yamaha Grizzily, etc...) are between 6 to 7 thousand dollars depending on the options. The amphibs are about a 1:1 ratio or 1.5:1 ratio in price.
Even the big pricy amphibs are still less then 2 quads.

I doubt that the general public is aware of this math!!!!!!

Great work on digging up the Hydro-Traxx info; I know the H-Traxx is a very big vehicle, but why $12 - $14 thousand dollars?

Thanks to MaxRules and everyone for contributing--------BILLY

By OJ Mc Duffie on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Well time to throw another wrench in the works. I'm from Michigan and I was given a cheesy looking brochure and a price sheet. My price sheet shows a Bigfoot at a list price of
$ 8295.00 plus freight. I guess my question is does the Argo dealers or distributors get to make up their own prices? I have bee to 3 different MAX dealer and every one had the exact same suggested retail price list. I know that dealers can make their own deals, but how can you tell if it is a good deal if you do not start from the same reference point. It seems a little seedy to me. I am still shopping for a vehicle I have not made my decision yet untill I can figure out what a good deal on an Argo is. I must say I do feel more confident about RI since I can tell when I am getting a good deal. I'm sure both are excellant vehicles, I just want a good fair deal.

By Dan Harriger (Dharriger) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hey OJ. Contact me off-line at dharriger@yahoo.com and I'll fill you in on what I did and the results with which I was quite pleased.

By fstplane on Unrecorded Date: Edit

HELLO EVERYONE. THE PRICES YOU ARE PUTTING ON THIS BOARD SEEM HIGH. AT www.sixwheeler.com THE PRICES ARE AS FOLLOWS:
MAX PRICES
MAX II 450-T $5,910.00
MAX II 500-T $6,730.00
MAX II 600-T $7,090.00
MAX IV 500-T $7,360.00
MAX IV 600-T $8,200.00
MAX IV 800-T $8,550.00
MAX IV 900-T $9,120.00
TRACKMAX $10,500.00
BUFFALO $10,530.00

ARGO PRICES:
VANGUARD $6,200.00
VANGUARD II $6,550.00
BIGFOOT $7,350.00
RESPONSE $8,625.00
CONQUEST $9,725.00
CENTAUR $21,000.00
OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO ADD SHIPPING TO THESE VEHICLES. BUT THEY SHOULD BE CHEAPER THAN MOST COMPANYS ON THE WEB.IF YOU WANT TO SEE SOME OF THESE MACHINES IN ACTION COME TO DEEPWATER MISSOURI ON AUGUST 12TH AND 13TH. WE SHOULD HAVE AROUND 50 PEOPLE AT OUR RIDE. FOR MAPS AND INFO PLEASE GO TO THE SAME WEB ADDRESS AS ABOVE OR CALL 417-866-8848 DAYS. NIGHTS CALL 417-742-3087.

By eddie joehrs on Unrecorded Date: Edit

these prices are high, for the lowest prices, check out global recreation.

they ARE the cheapest!

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

OJ Mc DUFFIE: COME ON DOWN!!!!!!
That's exactly why I started this posting. There are so many good postings here at Route6x6 for vehicle comparison and maintenance questions, but none about the raw market. I will purchase one very soon, but mamma didn't raise a fool.

Why buy a vehicle that you haven't test drove? Sounds stupid, uh?

Why buy a vehicle that you have no idea what the MSRP is either?

BILLY

By Phil Herrold on Unrecorded Date: Edit

My Argo conquest was 10,000. (It had a couple hours on it, so I got a discount.) Bigfoots are around 7,500.

By MaxRules (Brandon_price) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I found new prices on www.sixwheeler.com that are much lower than any other dealer I have seen. Here is what it says:
Max:
11-450T $5,910
11-500T $6,730
11-600T $7,090
IV-500T $7,360
IV-600T $8,200
IV-800T $8,550
IV-900T $9,120
TrackMax 25hp $10,500
BUFFALO $10,530

Argo:
VANGUARD $6200.00
VANGUARD 2 $6550.00
BIGFOOT $7350.00
RESPONSE $8625.00
CONQUEST $9725.00
CENTAUR 31 HP GAS 20,000.00
Those look like more reasonable prices to me.

MaxRules

By Berry on Unrecorded Date: Edit

You guys are nuts, I just bought
a MAX450T from L'IL Engine for 5200$ new out the door, I suggest you contact them, They are listed on route6x6 classified photo ads.

Berry Higdons

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Berry Higdons;

I'm really glad that you got a great deal, but that's what it is, a great deal.
We're not nuts for just posting MSRPs.

Berry we appreciate your input, but read what Bob Bascomb wrote at the very top about ECONOMICS.
You didn't pay the MSRP - the dealer sold it to you at a discount.

If you have any other good leads ---- we would appreciate your help.

BILLY

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Great job to all the work in finding the best deals in the AATV market.
Keep posting anything you can find out.

Still waiting to see an update:

Hydro Traxx TJ625 (6x6) 25hp/Gas $13,999 ????
Possibily around $12,000 now?
Any info why the Hydro Traxx is so high?

Power Track ATV-6000 $?,???

Cushman Supertrackster $?,???

Thanks------- BILLY

By Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max dealer on Unrecorded Date: Edit

What matters is the size of the check you have to write. Anyone who buys a max without first contacting me will probably spend too much. I don't offer any financing and you have to pay in full with the order, but the best deal will come from me or from leverage from my prices.

By Bob Bascomb on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Billy:

The hydro-traxx is so expensive because of the cost of parts based on a very limited production. If they were able to get anywhere near the production of the MAX or the argo, the price would automatically fall in line.

So if you want a hydro-traxx one of three things will happen. 1: Buy a hydro-traxx at the current price. 2. Wait it out and in a few years the price may fall in line where it should be if they can get their production numbers up. 3: Wait it out and the hydro-traxx may be out of production and out of business.

,

By Eddie Joehrs (Max450t) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

hi fred,
i would like to see a price war between you
and global rec. www.sixwheeler.com....
his prices are HARD to beat, let alone match!

p.s. why don't you offer financing through
recreatives?

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

DAN HARRIGER; I just wanted to say thank you for your help in clearing up the air. Sorry about the confusion too, it was funny after all, [boy named Sue]. You were right about everything. You're truely brilliant!
My kids and I thank you very much ------- BILLY

By Shane on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Fred - do you have any other makes or just the Max line? I'm glad there's someone out there selling aatv at a good price but still making a living.
Good luck Fred

By Dave Blackburn (Dave) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Power-Trac ATV-6000 $$ Direct from Power-Trac
On Feb. 22, 2000 The price i was quoted, and paid was as follows: ATV-6000...$6,995.00
option 2 rear seats...$ 259.00
option 4 post steel canopy.$ 599.00
shipping to Bloomingdale O.$ 317.41 (to trucker)
total cost $8,170.41
A good price, IF it WAS amphibious and IF it WAS all-terrain, however for the NON-floating, UNDERpowered albatross it is it was greatly over-priced! I can't recommend it to anyone not living in a very flat area with streams under 24" deep,....unless you would like to buy mine in which case it's wonderful little machine I could be talked into selling (to pay for my sweet little Granny's surgery, of course) for what I paid for it, and with a little arm twisting I may even pay shipping!

By Fred Sowerwine, Montana's Max dealer on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Shane, I just sell the Max and I must admit, I really don't make a living selling them - it is more a hobby business (I think the machine is great, I use them and being the only active dealer in the Northwest is kind of fun).

Eddie, I was one of the first to sell on the web and I still give good deals, period. I always encourage people to buy from their local dealer, but if price is the determining factor, I can match just about any price (I could even sell at a loss if I chose to do so - I don't, but I could). I won't always meet another price - if I feel the buyer is playing me for a sucker, I will pass and not match a competing bid.

My very best internet price is a cash in advance price; my rationale is that financing costs money and if one is shopping for the best price, they shouldn't be spending what they save from me on finance charges or credit card surcharges (that is playing me for a sucker).

I'll say it again: What matters is the size of the check you have to write.

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

UPDATE! UPDATE! UPDATE! THE CLOSEST MSRPs!


MAX- (all 6x6)
Max II 450-T 14hp/G ========== $5,910
Max II 500-T 16hp/G ========== $6,730
Max II 600-T 18hp/G ========== $7,090
Max IV 500-T 16hp/G ========== $7,360
Max IV 600-T 18hp/G ========== $8,200
Max IV 800-T 20hp/G ========== $8,550
Max IV 900-T 25hp/G ========== $9,120
TrackMax---- 20hp/G ========= $10,000
TrackMax---- 25hp/G ========= $10,500
Buffalo Truck 20hp/G ========= $10,530


ARGO-
Vangard I (6x6) 16hp/G ======== $6,200
Vangard II(6x6) 16hp/G ======== $6,550
Big Foot (6x6) 18hp/G ========= $7,350
Response (8x8) 18hp/G ======== $8,625
Conquest (8x8) 18hp/G ======== $9,725
CENTAUR-
950-G (8x8) 31hp/G ========== $20,000
950-D (8x8) 26.5hp/D ========= $??,???


TRITON-
Preditor (8x8) 25hp/G ======== $14,495
Preditor (8x8) 33.5hp/D ======= $18,995
Preditor (8x8) 37.5hp/D ======= $??,???


HYDRO TRAXX-
TJ625 (6x6) 25hp/G ========== $13,995


LAND TAMER-
6x6 80hp/G ================ $12,900
8x8 truck 80hp/G ============ $15,100


TERRAJET-
453te (4x4) 16hp/G =========== $8,741
VA-6 (4x4) 16hp/G =========== $8,070
VA-618 (6x6) 19hp/G or 20hp/D = $10,760


COOT-
2001 COOT (4x4) 16hp/G ===== $10,900


SUPACAT-
Supacat 6x6- 78hp/D ========= $??,???


POWERTRAC-
ATV-6000 (6x6) 25hp/G ======= $6,995


Thank you to all who have contributed to this posting. I've learned a lot about the RAW AATV MARKET already. There is still missing info and many questions left up in the air, so keep posting!!!!!!!

Thanks ------- BILLY

By MaxRules (Brandon_price) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I have a pricelist from SupaCat. The price of the Supacat Mk111 Base Unit is £42656. The only problem is I don't know how many US dollars that is!! Maybe someone on here will know.

MaxRules

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

As ususal- Brandon, you came through with the play of the day.
I didn't think we were ever going to price the SUPACAT.
Everyone who has checked their web site knew that they wanted one, but just by looking at it also knew they couldn't afford it EVER!

I use www.mamma.com for my search engine, then I searched for currency exchange and used two different ones to convert the amount. I am assuming that it was the Englich Pound.

English Pound === L42,656

American Dollars = $63,990 [Universal Currency Converter]
American Dollars = $64,105 [World Currency Exchange]

There is a difference of $115 between the currency converters.
What did you expect for a military [NATO] vehicle?


SUPACAT- (6x6) 78hp/D ========= $64,000


(Does this look accurate?)--------BILLY

By Harry Dusseau (Dirtyharry) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Brandon-

I think the British pound is equal to about $2 or $2.50 in US currency. So that would make it between $17,000 - $21,400. Yowch!!! Correct me if I'm wrong here fellas.

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

HEY GET THIS!!!!
A SUPACAT MK111 in Canadian Currency will blow your mind.

English Pound ==== L42,656

American Dollar === $63,990

Canadian Dollar === $94,740


BILLY

By Russell Lee (Powerstroke) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I just recieved in the mail today the following ARGO pricelist.
6x6 Vanguard.............$6445.00
6x6 Vanguard 2...........$6899.00
6x6 Bigfoot..............$7995.00
8x8 Response.............$9045.00
8x8 Conquest............$10975.00

The above prices are MSRP in US currency, and are subject to change without notice.
Russ

By Harry Dusseau (Dirtyharry) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Glad you didn't take my word for it. I divided instead of multiplying! DUH. That's why I had three years of Basic Math!

By D.mike on Unrecorded Date: Edit

The last time I checked a pound equals about $1.50

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hey Guys, I have no idea what the pound to dollar ratio is. I also am not sure about the style of math to calculate it either.
I am sure though of how to find the answer.

#1. Use any internet search engine (Yahoo, Alta Vista, Lycos, etc...)

#2. Search for "currency exchange".

#3. When using the Currency Converters - be sure to start with the English Pound then convert to American Dollar, not the other way around.


The answer is found for you and current, considering the world currencies are constantly changing everyday. I know that my numbers sound too high to be accurate, but like I said - these are really big MILITARY VEHICLES.
I'm sure they go for $64,000, easily.
Note: The SupaCat MK111 is a Turbo Diesel engine.


Is there anyone out there with the MSRP on the Triton Preditor 37.5hp/D ?

I saw a Centaur in the photos from the Humphrey, NY ride.
How did it handle the runs?

Thanks------BILLY

By tjs on Unrecorded Date: Edit

BILLY
DID YOU EVER GET YOUR 6X6 ?
IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT A MAX LIKE I WAS HOPE YOU HAVE BETTER LUCK !!
SOCALLED DEALER HAD A 3 YEAR OLD MAX II .
IT HAD BEEN SITTING OUT UNDER A CAR PORT AT HIS STORE FOR 3 YEARS!!!!!!!
TEST DRIVE WAS A JOKE/
WOULD HARDLY RUN . NO WONDER NO ONE IN LOWER PA HAVE MAX'S.
MADE ME SO MAD I CALLED REC IND TO DAY AND FOUND THAT THE GUY HASENT BEEN A DEALER FOR 5/6 YEAR'S .
BUT YET HE WAS GOING TO SELL ME A NEW MACHINE!
NOT TODAY!!
LOOK'S LIKE THEAR IS GOING TO BE A NEW MAX DEALER IN PA .
ALREADY HAVE RACE CAR CHASSES/AUTO SHOP.
GOING TO TRY TO OPEN 6X6 STORE TO GET THE WORD BACK OUT THAT THESE ARE THE REAL ATV .
WISH ME LUCK / COMENTS&HELP WOULD BE VERY HELPFULL
THANK YOU FOR ANY SUPPORT
TJ//SEE/YA

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

TJ -- Let me try to respond here.

#1 No I haven't purchased a 6x6 yet for a couple of reasons.
---I own a seasonal business and will purchase an AATV in the fall or worse comes to worse - winter.
---I am very pleased with the contrubitions 6'ers and 8'ers have made to this posting of the RAW AATV MARKET. I have learned so much and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I feel this is the best way to find the right vehicle for the right price. There isn't a CONSUMER'S REPORT - so why don't we just make one?
I haven't decided on:
Max IV 900-T ------ [I like the route 6x6 owner reviews]
Triton Preditor ------- [I like the hydrostatic drive system]
Argo Big Foot (8x8) --- [New Model for Next Year in yellow]
2001 Coot -------------- [What can you say? Really Tough!!]

#2 I'm glad you flew free of the spyder's web TJ. Dealers have to sell X amount of vehicles a year to retain their Dealership or they lose it. It sounded like he lost his 6 years ago and wasn't selling a new AATV, but helping you buy a new AATV.
I like the way you do business too -- calling the manufacture on the situation. There are so many people who just walk away thinking that there's nothing I can do. I'm sure R.I. didn't like it, but not much they can do about it either. It would take too much time and money for R.I. to sue him.
R.I. isn't helpless either, I'm sure this guy will receive a threatening letter from their legal department.

I'll E-mail you off line about the Max IV 900-T and business related conversation.

Good Luck TJ - like I always say,
"If you can't join 'em, BEAT 'em!"

Thanks buddy, ---- BILLY

By dick kowolski on Unrecorded Date: Edit

TJ:

Thats nothing... a year ago I saw and argo in a show in Denver, Co. This so called "new" argo had 1992 off road stickers on it. It is neither RI's or ODG's fault that a slug tries to be a dealer and fails. I also guess you can't blame a guy trying to get rid of old inventory. The only way to protect yourself is to demand to see the certificate of orgin before you buy anything.

Oh yeah... for some reason the hour was disconnected on the argo. The hourmeter showed about 10 hours, but the machine looked like it had 110 hours on it.

I ended up buying a MAX II from a dealer in Pueblo, CO. He was great, he gave me a good deal and factory ordered the machine for me. Since the sale the support from the dealer and RI has been superior.

By Powerstroke on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Dick,
I was with TJ when we went for a ride in this MAX. what a joke. The mahine had hardly any fuel in it and we had to keep choking it to keep it running. Then I felt kinda bad when I kept hearing some chain slap. when we got it back under the "carport" the seatbelt had fallen under the floorpan and got caught in the chain and tensioner. the tensioner snapped like a plastic toy. In all honesty this was the first time I had put a max to the test, and if I had to make a purchasing decision on this test drive I would have gone back to the Argo dealer 20 miles away. I will try another max though before I do make a decision, although for personal reasons I am leaning more toward the ARGO.

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

*****NEW BUYER'S PRICE SHEET FOR AATVs IN MSRPs*****

The previous sheet had some vehicles listed at a discout price by mistake. These are all MSRP listings.
Current AATV owners can also print a copy and use this as a comparison guide before upgrading to a new AATV.


MAX- (all 6x6)
Max II 450-T 14hp/G ========== $5,990
Max II 500-T 16hp/G ========== $6,985
Max II 600-T 18hp/G ========== $7,425
Max IV 500-T 16hp/G ========== $7,755
Max IV 600-T 18hp/G ========== $8,780
Max IV 800-T 20hp/G ========== $9,210
Max IV 900-T 25hp/G ========== $9,900
TrackMax---- 20hp/G ========= $10,500
TrackMax---- 25hp/G ========= $11,100
Buffalo Truck 20hp/G ========== $11,620


ARGO-
Vangard I (6x6) 16hp/G ======== $6,445
Vangard II(6x6) 16hp/G ======== $6,899
Big Foot (6x6) 18hp/G ========= $7,995
Response (8x8) 18hp/G ======== $9,045
Conquest (8x8) 18hp/G ======= $10,975
CENTAUR-
950-G (8x8) 31hp/G ========== $20,000
950-D (8x8) 26.5hp/D ========= $??,???


LAND TAMER-
6x6 80hp/G ================ $12,900
8x8 truck 80hp/G ============ $15,100


TERRAJET-
453te (4x4) 16hp/G ============ $8,850
VA-6 (4x4) 16hp/G ============ $8,135
VA-618 (6x6) 19hp/G or 20hp/D == $10,860


COOT-
2001 COOT (4x4) 16hp/G ====== $10,900


TRITON-
Preditor (8x8) 25hp/G ======== $14,495
Preditor (8x8) 33.5hp/D ======= $18,995
Preditor (8x8) 37.5hp/D ======= $??,???


HYDRO TRAXX-
TJ625 (6x6) 25hp/G ========== $13,995


SUPACAT-
Supacat 6x6- 78hp/TD ======== $63,990


POWERTRAC-
ATV-6000 (6x6) 25hp/G ======= $6,995


I hope this helps people who are interested with MSRPs. This is an unofficial gathering of info, but incredibly accurate.
Good Luck and Safe Riding!!!!!!


Thanks ------- BILLY

By fred4dot on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Billy,

I think your Suggested Retail prices on the Track Max are incorrect. My Rep told me the MSRP is $700 less than the price of the basic machine with the tracks option - so 20 HP Track Max would be $11,235; 25 HP TrackMax at $11,925.

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Fred - in the beginning of this thread, there was a lot of confusion over the MSRPs. Most people were quoted different rates, and some were posting Disount Prices as MSRPs. I'm not 100% sure about all of these listed above, but I would rely on this list to be 94% accurate or better.

I'm glad you are trying to clear up the possible problems of the List.
That's the only way to get to the bottom line.

There isn't really much info on the MSRP of the Track Max.
If any can help with the confusion, we need your 2cents too.

Thanks Fred ---- BILLY

By argomax on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Who cares what the msrp is. It should matter what the actual price you can really buy these machines for.

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

What's it matter for? Without the MSRP, a consumer has no way of gauging where the starting price is. A crooked dealer could sell you a Max IV 900-T for $13,000 if there wasn't a Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price.
[Current MSRP is $9,900]
With this in mind -- you could have the dishonest dealer take $2000 off of his price and you would still be over paying by $1200.

Without the MSRP -- you can't tell if you're getting a good deal.

I guess MSRPs aren't very important, uh?

Hey ArogMax, are you a dealer or just a teenager?

--------------------------------------------
Today's lesson is dedicated to all the Uncle Sugars!!!

ECONOMICS 101 : Professor BILLY

By Tim Wafer (Iflyrctoo) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I would have to agree with Argomax on this one. I couldn't care less what the MSRP is. It's just like buying a car. In all the vehicles I bought new over the years I cant ever recall even knowing the MSRP until after I made the deal if even then. I judge the value on what I feel its worth, not what someone else does. After all I am the one paying the price. To me the MSRP is just a number pulled out of the air that is meaningless. No one ever pays this price. A fixed price is a different matter but that's not what you are dealing with here.
Tim

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I understand where you guys are comming from with paying what you want to pay for the final sale, but that's not what we're trying to establish here. I would do the same thing when I purchase by paying what I feel it's worth to ME.

The MSRPs aren't just numbers pulled out of the air. In fact it's the manufacturer's guide line to prevent dealers from pulling numbers out of the air.

If you go around buying vehicles without even knowing what the MSRP is, how do you know if you got a good deal or a bad one?
Don't tell me you have bought NEW vehicles without looking or knowing what the MSRP is at all. Give me a break.

It's not complicated, but it's not as simple as guessing what to pay either.
If that was the case, EVERYTHING looks like 2 dollars to me.

I don't care to argue with anyone, especially with something like MSRPs. If you don't need to know them, then great. I like to know the rules of financial combat before I spend around $10,000 for an AATV.

BILLY

By Russell Lee (Powerstroke) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Tim I somewhat disagree with that. A consumer needs to know where the manufacturer stands on a price; however, A consumer also needs to have some sort of idea what kind of deal he can or can't make. What diffence does a deal from a dealer make in PA when you live in CA.
Russ

By Tim Wafer (Iflyrctoo) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Most of the vehicles I have bought are pickups. If you look at the stickers on them you will notice that they don't even bother to put a MSRP on them. I have always negotiated the price from what the dealer pays for it, not from a fictitious MSRP. The only way I recall hearing the MSRP is after the deal was made; the dealer mentioned it to me. It was always several thousand dollars more than what we agreed upon. Even the dealer admits that it's a useless figure. I don't wish to argue either but don't tell me I'm lying! The mere fact that you are having such difficulty finding a MSRP for these vehicles indicates to me the value of it! I have worked in retail for 25+ years at a very successful business. I learned long ago how to set a value on an item. That's all I have to say and I will not post in this thread any further.
Tim

By Peter Hunt (Peteh) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I have an older max and watch this board from time to time. I guess its time to throw my hat in the ring and ad my 2 cents. I read this topic from the beginning and found it somewhat amusing. Several of you seem to put a lot of stock in msrp while others "couldn't care less". There seems to be a problem even determining the suggested price and some even suggested guessing at it if you cant find it! I am in the major appliance busines and we have always viewed the msrp for appliaces as a joke. No dealer could sell at those inflated prices and stay in business long. I wish I could! Comparison shopping has become a very easy thing especially with the popularity of the internet. Someone commented that if you don't know the msrp how can you know if you got a good deal. A better question is "if all you know is the msrp how can you know if you got a good deal!" You have no idea if that price is highly inflated or resonable. Its an indicator but a poor one. A much better indicator is what the item actually sells for in the real world. Compare!

By Dale on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hey, here's a novel idea. If MSRP is so important and you don't feel dealers can be trusted to provide the correct MSRP, why not just call the manufacturer directly? I have called ODG several times and have always found them to be very nice and accommadating on the phone. I'm sure recreatives and the others, except maybe power trac, are as well. All of them are listed with phone numbers in the links section of Route 6X6.

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Let's take this thread out from under the microscope and lighten up a little. We know that everyone, given the same situation, can act and react differently. I might spend my dollar different than any of you would and you would spend it differently than another guy, and on, and on...

There are a lot of great amphibious machines on the market and some that are still a bit rare. I just wanted to get a BALL PARK on what some of them are going for.
For example: before this tread, did anyone know what all of the BALL PARK numbers were. SupaCat MK111 ? Centaur? TerraJets? ATAV-(Coot)? 8x8 Land Tamer?
It was just to get some basic RETAIL information.
This thread was never meant to say that these were the prices you should pay. I like the SupaCat, but NOW I know that I could never afford one.

Like Tim and most of the rest of you, I will deal hard to save as much money as possible when buying a vehicle.
Actually, I agree completely with trying to get such a deal.

Peter - the idea of comparison shopping is great as long as you can compare. It's not like selling appliances. AATV's aren't sold at Wal-Mart yet. If I want to compare some of the more rare vehicles like Triton, Land Tamer, ATAV (Coot), or TerraJet, I might have a harder time getting a deal then the non-rare vehicles like Argo and Max.
Example:
Max II =$5000, but a SupaCat =$65,000

All this thread was meant to be was a candle,
not a light house.

BILLY

By Sam Richards on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hey i agree with the meaning behind this post. I have a used hydro tracks and want to buy a newer aatv. I went looking over the links to see what there is on the market. There is almost nothing on what the prices are. I don't mind finding out some "ball parks" myself. i'm kinda glad to read this post. Thats just my opinion.

By gary marmaro on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Hey Guys, Im new at this sort of thing,however after reading several hours of discussions on AATV'S i decided to look further into the MAX II. So i went to my nearest and only dealer and inquired about the two max II's that had been presented on the showroom floor. One had been already sold,while the other,was a new 2000 Max II ,18hp,heated throttle cable,22"rawhide tires,for the asking price of $6300. After speaking to the salesman,which turned out to be the owner,he then offered me the machine for a cool $6000. I beleive this was a fair deal. Any input ?? Also i would like to purchase or make a roll bar for this machine any suggestions?

By MaxRules (Brandon_price) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

That sounds like a good deal on that Max. I bought a roll bar for mine after I bought the Max. It is listed at $250 from RI and it is well worth it. It is very easy to install and improves the look of the machine. I like it because it lets me get wild without getting hurt.

MaxRules

By Shane on Unrecorded Date: Edit

I'm not sure, but $6,300 sounds like a 14hp or even a 16hp Max II. I would double check with the dealer to make sure that your on the same page. If he is selling the 18hp for as low as $6,000, then I would jump on it!

By gary marmaro on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Shane,i also believed that the price was to good to be true for an 18hp max II,however it infact is and i took your advice and purchased the machine today. By the way,Brandon im interested in purchasing the roll bar,how long did it take you to install yours? Can aftermarket lights be installed?

By MaxRules (Brandon_price) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Congrats on your purchase. The hardest part of installing the roll bar is cutting the two holes in the upper body. It takes a lot of measuring to get both holes perfectly centered in the exact spot. I probably measured and remeasured for about an hour!
After that it is quick and easy. The only other holes you have to drill is four for the seat belts. Mine already had pilot holes so all I had to do is drill them out bigger and didn't have to measure.
The roll bar and assembly is made very well. I have also thought about putting lights on it. You would have to drill holes in the top and you could probably run the wires down the inside of the bar. I would make them to where they could be pushed back behind the bar. If you mount them solid I'm sure they would be broken off. There have been many times when I just duck under the dash and run through a bunch of over grown bushes and trees. There are usually 1"-2" limbs that the bar pushes out of the way and I'm afraid those limbs would take the lights off.
After you drive through a big briar patch like that, you have to stop and listen to all the quad riders yell and complain at all the stickers and branches scratching them to death :-)

MaxRules

By Shane on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Gary, good luck with the new Max II. Let me know how you like it. Where are you going to get aftermarket lights for it?
I mean what brand.

By Harry Dusseau (Dirtyharry) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Gary-

Like MaxRules, I also added my rollbar after I had purchased my '94 MAX II. It was a fairly simple, straightforward installation. Definately worth the money and effort. As I mentioned on another thread regarding this same topic, some time ago I accidently slung my girlfriend out of my MAX while doing a hairpin U-turn. She wasn't hurt (except her pride) thank goodness, but it sure put the fear in me!!! I regularly take her young nephews and my younger cousins for rides and I didn't want anything like that EVER happening again! The rollbar w/seatbelts is the only way to go!!! (for your own peace of mind, if nothing else!)

With regards to a lightbar...
I made my own lightbar attachment for my roll bar out of a piece of angle iron. It locks onto the rollbar with four muffler clamps. I wrapped four pieces of bicycle innertube around the rollbar to keep it from getting all scratched up by the clamps, and to give them something to "bite" into so that the lightbar won't shift or work it's way backwards (rolling). I mounted my lightbar behind, rather than over the top of my rollbar.

The rounded portion of the muffler clamps slip over the front of my four rubber-padded strips on the rollbar, and the threaded ends pass through pre-drilled holes and secure through the back of the angle iron, underneath the top portion where the lights bolt on. This allows the rollbar to take the brunt of the blows from low branches and stray limbs instead of the lightbar, and helps keep my lights from being whacked out of position and/or busted.

The wires are all gathered and tucked into one of those black plastic, ribbed wirewrangler things and zip-tied along the underside. I have the lights set up to disconnect with male/female terminals right before they tuck into that small hole in the left side of the rollbar. Figuring out the wiring ahead of time was my biggest challenge, along with making sure that I didn't overload my battery or the charging system. It took me the better part of two weekends to go from basic idea to finished product.

The four lights (two spots & two floods) are evenly spaced along the two foot section of angle iron. The inner two (spots) point straight ahead, shooting far past the stock headlamps. The outer two lights (floods) are aimed somewhat down and towards the sides at about a 45 degree angle. Together, these four extra lights help to give me a terrific view all around the front half of the vehicle. I think it looks pretty sharp for a homemade job, and it really helps me see MUCH better when I'm blasting through pitchblack woods or navigating in the dense fog that often occurs in my neck of the woods in the post-dusk/pre-dawn hours.

I'm thinking about making a front "pushbar/brushguard" with a smaller piece of angle iron to protect the front edge of my MAX's body. I may weld some grab handles on it to facilitate easier positioning by hand when I'm loading it up on my truck's flatbed. Perhaps a couple of extra spot/fog lights on it, too??? Hmmmmm... we'll see.

GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR NEW TOY! RIDE SAFE & HAVE FUN!!!

By BILLY on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Diry Harry -

It's good to hear from you again, it's been awhile.
Do you have any pictures available of this set up?
What would something like this cost all together?

By Harry Dusseau (Dirtyharry) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

BILLY-
I've been stuck in the lower levels of Hell (translation: working ungodly overtime - 12hrs/7days) for a some time now. It helps pay the bills off, but it royally screws up my free time. I hadn't been on this site for a looooong time. I still haven't gotten my starter fixed on my MAX yet, so I've pretty much gone the whole summer without my 6 wheeler! Yuck!!! Oh, well... I've been working too many hours to have even had a chance to do any real riding anyways.

I don't have any pics of my lightbar. Maybe I'll try and borrow my cousin's camera and get some photos off to Richard to put in his TIPS / MODS section.

The whole lightbar project wasn't all that expensive. The main investment is the lights themselves. You have to use your own best judgement here. If you do a lot of wild riding or you ride where the trees hang low, you run the risk of routinely smashing out lights. Best not to invest a ton of cash into super-fancy projector-type lamps if they're likely to get busted out on a tree limb. You're better off with a set of cheaper auxillary tractor/implement lights from your local Quality Farm & Fleet shop, or a similar outfit. Or just buy the cheapo 4x4 truck foglights on the rack at KMart/WalMart.

A good, heavy roll of 12 or 14 gauge wire should be enough to run the whole light bar. I have my inner spots and outer floods running off of one common hot wire to the battery and split into two seperate toggle switches on my dash.

I bought the angle iron at the local scrap metal shop.

I guess I spent something like $50-60 for everything. A big expense for me was stainless steel muffler clamps. Regular steel will rust in a second and looks like crap. The stainless clamps should last me damn near forever.

You may be lucky enough to have a length of angle iron out in the garage that you can cut to size, or have extra lights lying around, (I already had a pair of old fog/floods off of my Jeep restoration project). The cheaper you go, the more you save obviously, but if you want to go top-dollar on all of the stuff, I suppose you could spent well over $100.

To some folks money's no object, so they'll go for it. I just wanted to try and do it myself and see if I could get it to work first. I may upgrade to higher intensity lights later on. Just make sure you don't overtax your battery/charging system, or you could be in for an unpleasant no-start in the middle of the woods on a pitch black night! NOT FUN!!!

By mcstettes on Unrecorded Date: Edit

saw bob barker on the price is right last thursday or friday. in one of the showcases, they had a max4 with the windshield and top. it was cool seeing it up on stage. the lady underpriced her bid but still won.

By Dave Blackburn (Dave) on Unrecorded Date: Edit

Power-Trac ATV-6000,
In March of 2000 I paid $7,853 for mine, 25 hp. kohler gas engine, 4 seats, roll cage, 26" tires hydro drive steel body, and $300 delivery to my home.
I sure wouldn't buy another one! Not at half that!
It is seriously underpowered and floats like a swamped barge!
I am currently working on modifications to get it floating and climbing, which is what I bought it for, after all.

By stevegreen (84.92.125.208) on : Edit

Hi guys - I have just purchased an ex military Supacat MkII for @£13,000 UK pounds. I thought the MkIII's were priced to the military new at £57,000!

If anyone has any interesting things on Supacats I'd love to receive copies and will similarly share whatever I have got.

MaxRules - very interested in your price list - any chanvce of you emailing me a copy?

thanks Steve

By Dave T (65.73.71.202) on : Edit

Now is a good time to buy 2004 dealer stock at great prices. They want to get rid of them and get 2005's in stock. Go to the Dealer Locator on the maxatv website. Here is one I found in WI. New 2004 MaxII 600T,camo: $5900.
Here is one at a MN dealer: 2004 MaxIV 950T,roll cage, winch, tracks: $12,324.